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View Mapletree's Profile Mapletree Flag Croydon 10 Dec 19 11.18pm Send a Private Message to Mapletree Add Mapletree as a friend

Not that anyone on here cares about the truth

But the reason the NHS is costing more is the aging population

In general immigrants are low users of the NHS due to their demographics.

The single largest group of patients are 65 to 69 year olds, a group growing very rapidly (over 35% in the past 10 years). Probably the majority of this site.

Population growth can’t be the cause. It has been running at 8% but hospital admissions increasing at 30%

But please don’t let me confuse you with actual, factual data. Carry on in your angry bubbles of false news.

 

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View Rudi Hedman's Profile Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 10 Dec 19 11.26pm Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

Saying ‘foreign’ is another word and thing to get the easily offended into a strop these days.

 


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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Flag 10 Dec 19 11.32pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by Mapletree

Not that anyone on here cares about the truth

But the reason the NHS is costing more is the aging population

In general immigrants are low users of the NHS due to their demographics.

The single largest group of patients are 65 to 69 year olds, a group growing very rapidly (over 35% in the past 10 years). Probably the majority of this site.

Population growth can’t be the cause. It has been running at 8% but hospital admissions increasing at 30%

But please don’t let me confuse you with actual, factual data. Carry on in your angry bubbles of false news.

Nothing interesting on Al Jazzera tonight then?

As for caring about truth, I'd regard you as one of the least reliable to speak upon that.

Immigrants will indeed make up a considerable presence at different locations within the country. They aren't everywhere within the country because they can't live where the house prices are higher. So your representation of this is about as insightful as usual.

Edited by Stirlingsays (10 Dec 2019 11.34pm)

 


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View Rudi Hedman's Profile Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 10 Dec 19 11.37pm Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

I wonder how many issues Corbyn opposes the EU with in addition to rules on nationalising industry, fiscal policy rules in the Eurozone, and strict austerity programmes on Greece, so some different reasons.

 


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deleted user Flag 10 Dec 19 11.51pm

Originally posted by Mapletree

Not that anyone on here cares about the truth

But the reason the NHS is costing more is the aging population

In general immigrants are low users of the NHS due to their demographics.

The single largest group of patients are 65 to 69 year olds, a group growing very rapidly (over 35% in the past 10 years). Probably the majority of this site.

Population growth can’t be the cause. It has been running at 8% but hospital admissions increasing at 30%

But please don’t let me confuse you with actual, factual data. Carry on in your angry bubbles of false news.

That's certainly a factor, though at the same time medical advancements will hopefully take the edge off that in the coming decades. There are a multitude of factors at play, I don't deny that by any means.

I do hold the view that NHS treatment should absolutely always be free at the point of access, and should be well funded. It's not often talked about, but the inevitable drawback of such a system is that there will be plenty of cases where treatment falls short or is sufficient rather than exceptional. But as a safety net it's still something we should be proud of.

 

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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Flag 11 Dec 19 1.26am Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

According to George Galloway Emily Thornberry is 'making it clear' that she 'will be running for Leader' of the Labour Party.

With friends like these.

 


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View Midlands Eagle's Profile Midlands Eagle Flag 11 Dec 19 6.08am Send a Private Message to Midlands Eagle Add Midlands Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Emily Thornberry is 'making it clear' that she 'will be running for Leader' of the Labour Party.

That will please white van man

 

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View Midlands Eagle's Profile Midlands Eagle Flag 11 Dec 19 6.18am Send a Private Message to Midlands Eagle Add Midlands Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Mapletree

Not that anyone on here cares about the truth

But the reason the NHS is costing more is the aging population

I don't suppose that anyone here thinks otherwise and so don't have to be told by the forum's chief snowflake unless it was just an excuse to get in another insult

 

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View serial thriller's Profile serial thriller Flag The Promised Land 11 Dec 19 6.27am Send a Private Message to serial thriller Add serial thriller as a friend

It's gonna be another hung parliament. Farage handed this election to Johnson on a plate, and he's still f***ed it up.

Bye bye Bojo!

 


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View serial thriller's Profile serial thriller Flag The Promised Land 11 Dec 19 6.55am Send a Private Message to serial thriller Add serial thriller as a friend

Originally posted by Mapletree

Not that anyone on here cares about the truth

But the reason the NHS is costing more is the aging population

In general immigrants are low users of the NHS due to their demographics.

The single largest group of patients are 65 to 69 year olds, a group growing very rapidly (over 35% in the past 10 years). Probably the majority of this site.

Population growth can’t be the cause. It has been running at 8% but hospital admissions increasing at 30%

But please don’t let me confuse you with actual, factual data. Carry on in your angry bubbles of false news.

[Link]

Here's a handy fact sheet to prove otherwise.

There are many reasons why the NHS is costing more, but surely the 3 main ones are...

PFI: introduced by the Tories but accelerated by Noo Labour, private companies were tasked with building nearly 12 billion pounds worth of hospiyals. Gernous. Only thing is, NHS trusts are predicted to have to pay over 12 TIMES what they borrowed in future repayments. That puts the overall costs of the schemes at close to 100 billion for the taxpayer, and the figure is rising each year.

Worth a read: [Link]

2012 Health and Social Care Act: if you ask most doctors and medical experts when the scales changed, this was it. Brought in by the Coalition despite explicit manifesto commitments not to restructure the health service, this bill provided most of the legal framework for a bureaucratic reorganisation of the health service.

Among other things, the duty of the health Secretary to provide a public health service was taken away; managers were parachuted in from American private health companies; the cap on the amount of money hospitals could make from things like parking charges, private consultations and private medicines was raised from 2% to 50%.

Again, read this for a detailed analysis of just how devastating this legislation, which had no popular assent, has been [Link]

Finally, the increase in the price of pharmaceutical drugs: Pfizer and GSK, among others, have already been fined for this practice. In 2017, the price of the NHS buying in drugs from private firms rose 34% to nearly 16 billion. We know that after Brexit, one of the main areas of UK-US trade deals will be to remove regulation on this matter.

Read: [Link]

While demographic changes are a factor, there is simply no evidence that they are costing as many billions as these issues are. For all the talk of record spending on the MY, the simple fact is that the spending is needed just yo meet the debts incurred by each of these things.

And yes, the Tories are cognizant and supportive of this. Osbourne called it the biggest mistake of his government (2012 HSC Act), Rawnseley who brought in the changes now works for a private health firm; Hancock is on record supporting further structural reforms of Health care; Hunt worked for a private trust before being health Secretary.

So if you really want the facts....there you have em.

 


If punk ever happened I'd be preaching the law, instead of listenin to Lydon lecture BBC4

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View Mapletree's Profile Mapletree Flag Croydon 11 Dec 19 7.27am Send a Private Message to Mapletree Add Mapletree as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Nothing interesting on Al Jazzera tonight then?

As for caring about truth, I'd regard you as one of the least reliable to speak upon that.

Immigrants will indeed make up a considerable presence at different locations within the country. They aren't everywhere within the country because they can't live where the house prices are higher. So your representation of this is about as insightful as usual.

Edited by Stirlingsays (10 Dec 2019 11.34pm)

Why the ad hominem attack? I always tell the truth so don’t understand it

I haven’t looked at Al Jazeera for months, but at least I source information from a variety of view points

The data is all direct from the NHS

Like I said, some people are keener on their prejudices than debating hard truths

Please respond with facts or don’t debate the topic

 

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View Mapletree's Profile Mapletree Flag Croydon 11 Dec 19 7.31am Send a Private Message to Mapletree Add Mapletree as a friend

Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

I don't suppose that anyone here thinks otherwise and so don't have to be told by the forum's chief snowflake unless it was just an excuse to get in another insult

I see you didn’t like me commenting on your use of power. I will not respond in kind

 

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