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 Matov  11 Dec 19 3.02pm |
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I did intend to re-run, for the umpteenth time the entire messages on a bus v Project fear by way of discussing this issue of misinformation but no point. It has been done 100's of times and nobody is changing their mind. But lets assume that we get Labours second referendum with two options. Remain and stay in the single market, customs union and hang onto to freedom of movement or Leave but stay in the single market, customs union and hang onto freedom of movement. And a different franchise with EU citizens and kids allowed to vote. And Remain, surprise surprise 'wins'. How does that actually solve anything? I will boycott it and refuse to accept the outcome. As I believe 10's of millions of others will also do. What of us? Do you think we crawl back into our bottles and just accept that our votes on June 23rd 2016 were a waste of time? Do you think Farage goes away? Do you honestly think that we as a nation can move forward on the back of it? Because there will be a voice emerging. Telling us, with evidential justification, that voting is pointless because nobody takes any notice of us. That perhaps England is better off out of the Union. That perhaps our Parliamentary system of democracy, along with an 'independent' judiciary that sort at every opportunity to ignore our votes on June 23rd needs replacing. No longer fit for purpose when put to the ultimate test of representing the will of the people. How would you counter that? Tell us that voting changes things? Why should I ever play by the rules again if the rules can be changed to sort the whims of a losing side? Because on June 23rd the Remain side lost. 52 beats 48 as a % every single time. 17 million plus votes is a larger figure than 16 million plus. We were told the result would be implemented. No ifs, no buts. And you want to f*** with that and not expect the direst of outcomes? Seriously?
How in anyway does Labours proposal put any Genie back in the bottle? Edited by Matov (11 Dec 2019 3.03pm)
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| W12 11 Dec 19 3.04pm | |
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I expect potentially massive election fraud/rigging based on what clearly happened in the Peterborough by election and the fact they know the electoral commission are deliberately turning a blind eye. I don't believe the polls right now though, as for example, the SNP are somehow projected to gain a seat or three but have been shown to be so absolutely awful and unelectable these past months. If they don't lose seats I will be amazed as I just don't think the Jocks are that stupid. Interestingly absolutely no mention of England in this election specifically but endless crap about Ireland, Scotland and Wales. Oh well, we are only the vast majority of the UK electorate but I guess we don't even have our own parliament so who gives a s*** about us.
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| Hrolf The Ganger 11 Dec 19 3.08pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Or maybe I just want an excuse to ear the first mince pie. It's funny how the old discipline crumbles around mid December.
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taylors lovechild  11 Dec 19 3.13pm |
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Originally posted by Willo
We are in a completely different economic position at the present time. Very difficult decisions had to be made due to the dire financial position the Government was left with by Labour.Responsible Governments make difficult decisions but I am aware of the severe impact it had.Decisions were not taken out of spite but due to economic necessity.Labour with their madcap economic policies do not understand this. With the significant increases in funding for the NHS,schools, public services etc etc etc announced by the Conservatives the bygone days of 'Cuts' are over.This is a new era. Edited by Willo (11 Dec 2019 2.25pm) The thing is though, there were other means they could have pursued to aid recovery but chose not to. Other countries in Europe such as Portugal chose to ditch austerity in favour of spending and saw its economy rebound faster than those pursuing austerity. The one thing f**king up usually strong economies such as Germany's is actually our fault too, with Brexit uncertainty impacting business confidence. To put vulnerable people's lives at risk just to lower debt is immoral and I don't really see it any other way. The fact they also cut funding to those charities that supported the disabled and the vulnerable only compounded matters. Also, given the so-called injection of funding is actually not as true as promised (eg it is not 50,000 new nurses but actually 30,000) I have no faith we'll see anything but vanity projects and paying lip service, while Boris pays back all the promises he must have made to somehow become PM (from HIGNFY clown to leader of the UK!!!). It does not surprise me to see today that 88% of Conservative ads were deemed misleading in the run up to this election. This also reminds of the Trump/Clinton election where despite the clear nasty undertones of Johnson he will win due to a carefully planned character assassination of Corbyn, rather than on any attractive policies (Get Brexit Done is not a policy). I've voted Green by the way, as the MP in my last district was Caroline Lucas.
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| Badger11 Beckenham 11 Dec 19 3.14pm |
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Interesting analysis from Sir John Curtis about the key electoral battlegrounds. He is always worth listening to. I believe the BBC is biased towards the left however if I was a lefty I would complain about his article. It is mainly about how the Tories can win or lose there is very little positive in there about how Labour can win. Unless of course he believes the result is obvious.
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| Badger11 Beckenham 11 Dec 19 3.17pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
It's funny how the old discipline crumbles around mid December.
Might I kindly suggest a different strategy, nothing of note happens until about 4/5am in the morning. I go to bed normal time and wake up early by then they are predicting the result so I go back to sleep or sleeplessness depending on who won.
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| Matov 11 Dec 19 3.21pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
LOL. Usually, I would do the same but not sure I can cope with this one. Absolutely done in with democracy at the moment. My faith in the voting process has been absolutely shaken to its very core. And if it looks like anything other than a Tory majority then thought of having to watch the BBC trotting out w***er after w***er salivating at the thought of chucking my vote on June 23rd 2016 into the bin then I reckon I will burst a blood vessel. But if I wake up in the morning and it is clear that Brexit is going to be sabotaged, then it will be crystal cold water running through my veins. Need the step back from the process because tomorrow could be the last time I ever vote, at least in this current system.
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| Midlands Eagle 11 Dec 19 3.25pm |
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Originally posted by Badger11
I might ask Alexa to wake me up if anything interesting happens
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| Matov 11 Dec 19 3.29pm |
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Originally posted by Midlands Eagle
I might ask Alexa to wake me up if anything interesting happens To be fair to the BBC, at least in General Elections, then their exit poll at 10pm is usually pretty indicative of how it will pan out. Will be watching that and then seeing how it works out.
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| Stirlingsays 11 Dec 19 3.30pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
It's funny how the old discipline crumbles around mid December.
I'll also be pulling that all nighter after keeping clear of all the Question Times and all that Jazz. Just had a pub lunch with the sister.....Stomach bigger than Canada at the moment. Gonna need some severe food austerity after Christmas. Edited by Stirlingsays (11 Dec 2019 3.30pm)
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| Badger11 Beckenham 11 Dec 19 3.33pm |
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Originally posted by Matov
To be fair to the BBC, at least in General Elections, then their exit poll at 10pm is usually pretty indicative of how it will pan out. Will be watching that and then seeing how it works out. Good call. I used to stay up late but can't be bothered these days. The bits I like best on election night is the MPs who get it wildly wrong. It's 5 mins to go before the polls close what do you think "Landslide for my party". 4am in the morning "humble pie anyone?"
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| Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 11 Dec 19 3.34pm |
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Originally posted by taylors lovechild
The thing is though, there were other means they could have pursued to aid recovery but chose not to. Other countries in Europe such as Portugal chose to ditch austerity in favour of spending and saw its economy rebound faster than those pursuing austerity. The one thing f**king up usually strong economies such as Germany's is actually our fault too, with Brexit uncertainty impacting business confidence. To put vulnerable people's lives at risk just to lower debt is immoral and I don't really see it any other way. The fact they also cut funding to those charities that supported the disabled and the vulnerable only compounded matters. Also, given the so-called injection of funding is actually not as true as promised (eg it is not 50,000 new nurses but actually 30,000) I have no faith we'll see anything but vanity projects and paying lip service, while Boris pays back all the promises he must have made to somehow become PM (from HIGNFY clown to leader of the UK!!!). It does not surprise me to see today that 88% of Conservative ads were deemed misleading in the run up to this election. This also reminds of the Trump/Clinton election where despite the clear nasty undertones of Johnson he will win due to a carefully planned character assassination of Corbyn, rather than on any attractive policies (Get Brexit Done is not a policy). I've voted Green by the way, as the MP in my last district was Caroline Lucas.
The figures being quoted have been 50,000 and 31,000 the difference of which is 19,000. It has been estimated that some 19,000 would leave the NHS but for the additional funding pledged by the Conservatives.
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