Ukraine Situation - Should We Be Worried?
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 The groover  Danbury 13 Mar 22 10.25am |
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Originally posted by Badger11
Agreed. I have often wondered about why the fallout shelters are reserved for the politicians (all sides) I mean they failed to stop a nuclear war and have never done a proper job so what good are they for restoring civilization. Surely a war on that scale is a cataclysmic failure of leadership by all sides as the politicians are no bloody good. Perhaps if they were banned in advance from the shelters they might be motivated to stop the war before it got out of hand. Bunkers should be reserved for medical staff, engineers, sanitation workers, builders err you know people who can build and do useful stuff. The thought of Mayor Khan and Boris sitting it out in comfort....
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Willo  South coast - west of Brighton. 13 Mar 22 10.25am |
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In the final analysis, stringent sanctions against oligarchs and the Russian economy are not going to result in Putin ceasing his butchery and barbarity in Ukraine. NATO have asserted that they have no desire to get involved in the conflict accordingly Putin will continue on the path of destruction.He cannot be seen to have failed. Unfortunately the only way this war can be ended is if the West compromises and does a deal with Putin which he can present as a victory and a justification for the invasion.We risk a severe escalation if a deal cannot be reached. Edited by Willo (13 Mar 2022 10.33am)
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| Stirlingsays Online 13 Mar 22 10.36am |
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Originally posted by Willo
In the final analysis, stringent sanctions against oligarchs and the Russian economy are not going to result in Putin ceasing his butchery and barbarity in Ukraine. NATO have asserted that they have no desire to get involved in the conflict accordingly Putin will continue on the path of destruction.He cannot be seen to have failed. Unfortunately the only way this war can be ended is if the West compromises and does a deal with Putin which he can present as a victory and a justification for the invasion.We risk a severe escalation if a deal cannot be reached. Edited by Willo (13 Mar 2022 10.33am) That's far too much like common sense to apparently satisfy the current zeitgeist. Oh what would the Ben Wallaces' of this world do with themselves.
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| Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 13 Mar 22 10.47am |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
That's far too much like common sense to apparently satisfy the current zeitgeist. Oh what would the Ben Wallaces' of this world do with themselves. What may I ask is the alternative ? Stringent sanctions and the severe effect on the Russian economy and way of life will not end this conflict.
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| Badger11 Beckenham 13 Mar 22 11.05am |
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Originally posted by The groover
No room at the inn for the likes of us.
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| kevlee born Wandsworth emigrated to Lanc... 13 Mar 22 11.07am |
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Originally posted by Willo
In the final analysis, stringent sanctions against oligarchs and the Russian economy are not going to result in Putin ceasing his butchery and barbarity in Ukraine. NATO have asserted that they have no desire to get involved in the conflict accordingly Putin will continue on the path of destruction.He cannot be seen to have failed. Unfortunately the only way this war can be ended is if the West compromises and does a deal with Putin which he can present as a victory and a justification for the invasion.We risk a severe escalation if a deal cannot be reached.
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| Stirlingsays Online 13 Mar 22 11.07am |
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Originally posted by Willo
What may I ask is the alternative ? Stringent sanctions and the severe effect on the Russian economy and way of life will not end this conflict. Edited by Willo (13 Mar 2022 10.53am)
I hope I'm wrong but...going by the media, I don't think our leaders are quite prepared to accept the unfortunate reality of the situation yet....not publicly anyway. Edited by Stirlingsays (13 Mar 2022 11.10am)
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| Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 13 Mar 22 11.15am |
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Originally posted by kevlee
Such a 'Peace Plan' would be laughed at and totally rejected by Putin. Edited by Willo (13 Mar 2022 11.16am)
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| Stirlingsays Online 13 Mar 22 11.16am |
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Originally posted by kevlee
I think the word is appeasment. Give in to him basically. And he can then plan the next one. Whether or not it's 'appeasement' depends upon the terms of the peace deal. We have already made it plain that an attack on a Nato country means we will fight and that nuclear war then becomes possible. I call that drawing a line. Your take means we have to go to war with Russia and defeat them. That is playing dice with everyone's life. Edited by Stirlingsays (13 Mar 2022 11.16am)
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| Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 13 Mar 22 11.17am |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Whether or not it's 'appeasement' depends upon the terms of the peace deal. Your take means we have to go to war with Russia and defeat them. That is playing dice with everyone's life. Edited by Stirlingsays (13 Mar 2022 11.16am) I concur with this comment.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 13 Mar 22 11.21am |
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Originally posted by Willo
What may I ask is the alternative ? Stringent sanctions and the severe effect on the Russian economy and way of life will not end this conflict.
We are between a rock and a hard place. Nato cannot get involved. Whilst we admire the resilience and fortitude of the Ukrainian people, the longer they resist, the worse, and more dangerous it will get for everyone. So it seems the best thing would be a swift end to the military resistance and a retreat into non-cooperation and guerilla war. Occupying Ukraine would present Putin with a whole new set of problems. Then the sanctions can do their work, taking a toll over time. The problem is that the Ukrainian's don't see it that way, and the Russian's appear incapable of anything other than brutal tactics of destruction. So it's likely to be a long-drawn-out process in which the whole of Ukraine gets laid to waste, with a humanitarian problem of epic proportions, energy and food shortages in Europe and Putin under increasing pressure in Russia. Can we trust a pressured Putin? Whether diplomacy can find a way through this quagmire is an open question, but so far the signs are not promising.
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| Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 13 Mar 22 11.31am |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
We are between a rock and a hard place. Nato cannot get involved. Whilst we admire the resilience and fortitude of the Ukrainian people, the longer they resist, the worse, and more dangerous it will get for everyone. So it seems the best thing would be a swift end to the military resistance and a retreat into non-cooperation and guerilla war. Occupying Ukraine would present Putin with a whole new set of problems. Then the sanctions can do their work, taking a toll over time. The problem is that the Ukrainian's don't see it that way, and the Russian's appear incapable of anything other than brutal tactics of destruction. So it's likely to be a long-drawn-out process in which the whole of Ukraine gets laid to waste, with a humanitarian problem of epic proportions, energy and food shortages in Europe and Putin under increasing pressure in Russia. Can we trust a pressured Putin? Whether diplomacy can find a way through this quagmire is an open question, but so far the signs are not promising. It really is all dependant on the content of the diplomatic talks and I for one never believed that diplomacy would bring about an immediate cessation of hostilities. The west simply have to prevent a drawn-out conflict with human suffering and a destroyed Ukraine, and uncomfortable compromises will have to be made to prevent further bloodshed.
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