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HKOwen Hong Kong 28 Mar 23 7.11am
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle Maybe you do. That he is a donkey is enough for me. However, for a deeper analysis I came across this_ "As horses are known for their strength, donkeys are known for their stubbornness, and Benjamin stubbornly refuses to become enthusiastic about the rebellion. While all of his comrades delight in the prospect of a new, animal-governed world, Benjamin only remarks, "Donkeys live a long time. None of you has ever seen a dead donkey." While this reply puzzles the animals, the reader understands Benjamin's cynical yet not-unfounded point: In the initial moments of the rebellion, Animal Farm may seem a paradise, but in time it may come to be another form of the same tyranny at which they rebelled. Of course, Benjamin is proven right by the novel's end, and the only thing that he knows for sure — "Life would go on as it had always gone on — that is, badly" — proves to be a definitive remark about the animals' lives. Although pessimistic, he is a realist." As Animal Farm is a parody of the Russian revolution. As we aren't likely to face a revolution anytime soon there's not a lot to be learned from it, amusing though it is. If you find Animal Farm amusing then you have totally failed to understand the book, or are not very clever, or both. Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance.
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Hong Kong 28 Mar 23 7.11am

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Maybe you do. That he is a donkey is enough for me. However, for a deeper analysis I came across this_

"As horses are known for their strength, donkeys are known for their stubbornness, and Benjamin stubbornly refuses to become enthusiastic about the rebellion. While all of his comrades delight in the prospect of a new, animal-governed world, Benjamin only remarks, "Donkeys live a long time. None of you has ever seen a dead donkey." While this reply puzzles the animals, the reader understands Benjamin's cynical yet not-unfounded point: In the initial moments of the rebellion, Animal Farm may seem a paradise, but in time it may come to be another form of the same tyranny at which they rebelled. Of course, Benjamin is proven right by the novel's end, and the only thing that he knows for sure — "Life would go on as it had always gone on — that is, badly" — proves to be a definitive remark about the animals' lives. Although pessimistic, he is a realist."

As Animal Farm is a parody of the Russian revolution. As we aren't likely to face a revolution anytime soon there's not a lot to be learned from it, amusing though it is.

If you find Animal Farm amusing then you have totally failed to understand the book, or are not very clever, or both.

Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance.

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georgenorman 28 Mar 23 7.55am
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle Wanting to look forward doesn't mean you can see round every corner. It means you are aware of the corner and not arriving at it with your eyes looking the other way. Of course, you should learn from history, the better to avoid its mistakes. Of which there are many. Some of which are within my living memory, or related to me by my father, but probably not yours, and certainly not within that of many whose views you seem to share. I'll leave it to you to figure out what those lessons might be, although I anticipate very different conclusions to mine. So you are reduced to "My dad is better than your dad"! Who are you, Billy Bunter? (By the way, my father fought real fascists in Burma in World War II.)
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28 Mar 23 7.55am

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Wanting to look forward doesn't mean you can see round every corner. It means you are aware of the corner and not arriving at it with your eyes looking the other way.

Of course, you should learn from history, the better to avoid its mistakes. Of which there are many. Some of which are within my living memory, or related to me by my father, but probably not yours, and certainly not within that of many whose views you seem to share. I'll leave it to you to figure out what those lessons might be, although I anticipate very different conclusions to mine.

So you are reduced to "My dad is better than your dad"! Who are you, Billy Bunter?
(By the way, my father fought real fascists in Burma in World War II.)

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 28 Mar 23 8.11am
Originally posted by HKOwen If you find Animal Farm amusing then you have totally failed to understand the book, or are not very clever, or both. Why on earth do you think I find it amusing? It's an interesting parody written in an entertaining way. What's amusing is the way that others seek to twist the parody to match their prejudices. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Truro Cornwall 28 Mar 23 8.11am

Originally posted by HKOwen

If you find Animal Farm amusing then you have totally failed to understand the book, or are not very clever, or both.

Why on earth do you think I find it amusing? It's an interesting parody written in an entertaining way. What's amusing is the way that others seek to twist the parody to match their prejudices.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 28 Mar 23 8.21am
Originally posted by georgenorman So you are reduced to "My dad is better than your dad"! Who are you, Billy Bunter? (By the way, my father fought real fascists in Burma in World War II.) I did not, and would never, make such comparisons. I have no idea what other fathers did. I spoke only of my own. We owe a lot to my father's generation, of which it seems yours was a part. My father was on board the Prince of Wales when it was sunk by the Japanese. He survived but lost many friends. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Truro Cornwall 28 Mar 23 8.21am

Originally posted by georgenorman

So you are reduced to "My dad is better than your dad"! Who are you, Billy Bunter?
(By the way, my father fought real fascists in Burma in World War II.)

I did not, and would never, make such comparisons. I have no idea what other fathers did. I spoke only of my own. We owe a lot to my father's generation, of which it seems yours was a part.

My father was on board the Prince of Wales when it was sunk by the Japanese. He survived but lost many friends.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

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georgenorman 28 Mar 23 8.43am
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle I did not, and would never, make such comparisons. I have no idea what other fathers did. I spoke only of my own. We owe a lot to my father's generation, of which it seems yours was a part. My father was on board the Prince of Wales when it was sunk by the Japanese. He survived but lost many friends. We do owe a lot to them, although my father is his later years wondered why he bothered, seeing the antics and nonsense spouted by the likes of you.
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28 Mar 23 8.43am

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

I did not, and would never, make such comparisons. I have no idea what other fathers did. I spoke only of my own. We owe a lot to my father's generation, of which it seems yours was a part.

My father was on board the Prince of Wales when it was sunk by the Japanese. He survived but lost many friends.

We do owe a lot to them, although my father is his later years wondered why he bothered, seeing the antics and nonsense spouted by the likes of you.

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HKOwen Hong Kong 28 Mar 23 10.23am
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle Why on earth do you think I find it amusing? It's an interesting parody written in an entertaining way. What's amusing is the way that others seek to twist the parody to match their prejudices. The clue is when you wrote "As Animal Farm is a parody of the Russian revolution. As we aren't likely to face a revolution anytime soon there's not a lot to be learned from it, amusing though it is." I await your hook wriggling explanation that you did not mean what you wrote. Edited by HKOwen (28 Mar 2023 10.24am) Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance.
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Hong Kong 28 Mar 23 10.23am

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Why on earth do you think I find it amusing? It's an interesting parody written in an entertaining way. What's amusing is the way that others seek to twist the parody to match their prejudices.

The clue is when you wrote
"As Animal Farm is a parody of the Russian revolution. As we aren't likely to face a revolution anytime soon there's not a lot to be learned from it, amusing though it is."

I await your hook wriggling explanation that you did not mean what you wrote.

Edited by HKOwen (28 Mar 2023 10.24am)

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 28 Mar 23 12.47pm
Originally posted by HKOwen The clue is when you wrote "As Animal Farm is a parody of the Russian revolution. As we aren't likely to face a revolution anytime soon there's not a lot to be learned from it, amusing though it is." I await your hook wriggling explanation that you did not mean what you wrote. Edited by HKOwen (28 Mar 2023 10.24am) No further explanation is required. Just read my previous post. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Truro Cornwall 28 Mar 23 12.47pm

Originally posted by HKOwen

I await your hook wriggling explanation that you did not mean what you wrote.

Edited by HKOwen (28 Mar 2023 10.24am)

No further explanation is required. Just read my previous post.

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 28 Mar 23 12.51pm
Originally posted by georgenorman We do owe a lot to them, although my father is his later years wondered why he bothered, seeing the antics and nonsense spouted by the likes of you. My father grew cynical too, but for precisely the opposite reasons. He grew up in an age of British imperialism and served in the Royal Navy for many years. He came to understand that what was done when he was a boy was no longer relevant and that he had been cheated. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Truro Cornwall 28 Mar 23 12.51pm

Originally posted by georgenorman

We do owe a lot to them, although my father is his later years wondered why he bothered, seeing the antics and nonsense spouted by the likes of you.

My father grew cynical too, but for precisely the opposite reasons. He grew up in an age of British imperialism and served in the Royal Navy for many years. He came to understand that what was done when he was a boy was no longer relevant and that he had been cheated.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

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footythoughts Beckenham 28 Mar 23 3.41pm
Originally posted by georgenorman So you are reduced to "My dad is better than your dad"! Who are you, Billy Bunter? (By the way, my father fought real fascists in Burma in World War II.) Then be careful not to have time now, intentionally or otherwise, for those who have plenty of time for actual fascists and their ilk. Try to expand beyond gripe with grandad mode, as pointless pile ons obscure plenty of uncomfortable truths in the opposite political direction. Edited by footythoughts (28 Mar 2023 3.43pm)
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Beckenham 28 Mar 23 3.41pm

Originally posted by georgenorman

So you are reduced to "My dad is better than your dad"! Who are you, Billy Bunter?
(By the way, my father fought real fascists in Burma in World War II.)

Then be careful not to have time now, intentionally or otherwise, for those who have plenty of time for actual fascists and their ilk. Try to expand beyond gripe with grandad mode, as pointless pile ons obscure plenty of uncomfortable truths in the opposite political direction.

Edited by footythoughts (28 Mar 2023 3.43pm)

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georgenorman 28 Mar 23 4.54pm
Originally posted by footythoughts Then be careful not to have time now, intentionally or otherwise, for those who have plenty of time for actual fascists and their ilk. Try to expand beyond gripe with grandad mode, as pointless pile ons obscure plenty of uncomfortable truths in the opposite political direction. Edited by footythoughts (28 Mar 2023 3.43pm) The word Fascist now has no real meaning, apart from it signifying something that the person using it does not agree with. Edited by georgenorman (28 Mar 2023 4.55pm)
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28 Mar 23 4.54pm

Originally posted by footythoughts

Edited by footythoughts (28 Mar 2023 3.43pm)

The word Fascist now has no real meaning, apart from it signifying something that the person using it does not agree with.

Edited by georgenorman (28 Mar 2023 4.55pm)

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Stirlingsays 28 Mar 23 5.44pm
Originally posted by georgenorman The word Fascist now has no real meaning, apart from it signifying something that the person using it does not agree with. Edited by georgenorman (28 Mar 2023 4.55pm) Yeah, don't focus on those with power actually directing policy nationally and globally and their endless supply of cheer leading supplicants. Instead focus on those with no power who they don't like because hurty words. Edited by Stirlingsays (28 Mar 2023 5.45pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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28 Mar 23 5.44pm

Originally posted by georgenorman

The word Fascist now has no real meaning, apart from it signifying something that the person using it does not agree with.

Edited by georgenorman (28 Mar 2023 4.55pm)

Yeah, don't focus on those with power actually directing policy nationally and globally and their endless supply of cheer leading supplicants. Instead focus on those with no power who they don't like because hurty words.

Edited by Stirlingsays (28 Mar 2023 5.45pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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HKOwen Hong Kong 28 Mar 23 5.59pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle No further explanation is required. Just read my previous post. Your denial and arrogance is extraordinary. Truly breath taking, even when the truth is in your own post. You're like a child with a jam smeared face denying he ate the jam cake, literally no self aware ness. Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance.
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HKOwen

Hong Kong 28 Mar 23 5.59pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

No further explanation is required. Just read my previous post.

Your denial and arrogance is extraordinary.

Truly breath taking, even when the truth is in your own post.

You're like a child with a jam smeared face denying he ate the jam cake, literally no self aware ness.

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