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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Flag 25 Nov 23 9.33pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Disingenuous.


 


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View Teddy Eagle's Profile Teddy Eagle Online Flag 25 Nov 23 9.50pm Send a Private Message to Teddy Eagle Add Teddy Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

A week’s farm work will usually pay more than that. £100 per day is a reasonable expectation. I am no expert on UC or the whole benefit system but know that housing benefit has covered most of their rent for one of my previous tenants.

Exactly how to reform it to achieve the desired outcome is above my pay grade. It’s quite a challenge which is easier to just ignore but is something I believe has to be done.

It’s not just unskilled labour who populate the feckless and are milking the benefit system. Those with skills do so too. Nor is it just unskilled jobs that could be filled by them.

Take, for instance, someone who has a bad back and knees, but also computer skills. They obviously could not work in the fields but they could on a screen, possibly from home. Wouldn’t that be of greater benefit to society, and to their bank account than, for instance, posting controversial opinions on football websites at all hours?

One of my granddaughters has 3 children under 6. She is a mental health nurse and still manages to work full time, as does her husband. She works from home, at hours of her choosing, doing online interviews with those needing initial assessments. So the work is there, organised in ways that people can manage.

Some though don’t want to do it.

£2000 a month with accommodation provided and no fares doesn't entice anyone? They must be very choosey round your way.

 

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View steeleye20's Profile steeleye20 Flag Croydon 26 Nov 23 10.22am Send a Private Message to steeleye20 Add steeleye20 as a friend

How, on earth, does anyone post 24 hours a day, every day.

Are they fed by tubes?

 

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View Teddy Eagle's Profile Teddy Eagle Online Flag 26 Nov 23 10.29am Send a Private Message to Teddy Eagle Add Teddy Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by steeleye20

How, on earth, does anyone post 24 hours a day, every day.

Are they fed by tubes?

Sometimes in Glasgow. When the roasters are on the ran Dan.

 

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View Hrolf The Ganger's Profile Hrolf The Ganger Flag 26 Nov 23 10.50am Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Read my post at 11.20 pm yesterday. That describes a situation here in Cornwall. Which is what I see around me. As I do when I drive every working day to our major hospital where a high proportion of the health professionals were recruited from overseas.

These people are not so obvious in social settings as they are too busy working.

Sure they are, because our wonderful politicians are looking for short term solutions.
As usual, you are looking to deflect from the clear and obvious decline in our society by highlighting something you perceive as positive about immigration.
I'd rather our NHS had people who could speak proper English and who all understood the NHS culture.

Many immigrant NHS workers don't.

 

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View Wisbech Eagle's Profile Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 26 Nov 23 2.30pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Sure they are, because our wonderful politicians are looking for short term solutions.
As usual, you are looking to deflect from the clear and obvious decline in our society by highlighting something you perceive as positive about immigration.
I'd rather our NHS had people who could speak proper English and who all understood the NHS culture.

Many immigrant NHS workers don't.

I certainly don’t regard the number of overseas workers needed by the NHS as a positive. I just regard it as an essential in the present circumstances.

All from overseas who work there have to undergo adaptation courses and pass English competency exams before being given visas.

 


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View Wisbech Eagle's Profile Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 26 Nov 23 2.44pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

£2000 a month with accommodation provided and no fares doesn't entice anyone? They must be very choosey round your way.

It’s not just around here, I think this is a widespread problem.

The work is hard and local people don’t want to do it. The problem is the benefit culture which enables people to survive without effort.

It’s not simply the unemployed who are involved. Many are able to draw benefits for other reasons when the reality is they could still work in some way, but choose not to. Anyone capable of posting on social media at all hours, who is of working age, is also capable of undertaking some kind of work.

The problem with them is that the costs involved in establishing the necessary support, training and verification systems outweighs the costs of just paying them benefits. So the political imperative isn’t there. The moral and long term imperative is though.

 


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View Teddy Eagle's Profile Teddy Eagle Online Flag 26 Nov 23 3.27pm Send a Private Message to Teddy Eagle Add Teddy Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

It’s not just around here, I think this is a widespread problem.

The work is hard and local people don’t want to do it. The problem is the benefit culture which enables people to survive without effort.

It’s not simply the unemployed who are involved. Many are able to draw benefits for other reasons when the reality is they could still work in some way, but choose not to. Anyone capable of posting on social media at all hours, who is of working age, is also capable of undertaking some kind of work.

The problem with them is that the costs involved in establishing the necessary support, training and verification systems outweighs the costs of just paying them benefits. So the political imperative isn’t there. The moral and long term imperative is though.

My sympathy is always with those who are unemployed, it's a soul destroying situation to be in, but actively refusing work because it's hard? Physical work is generally pretty hard but many manage it however much they might not want to.
It's a difficult one because anyone out of work can't just be cut off but it's not doing anyone any good to let things go on indefinitely when work is available.
I thought there were certain constraints imposed after a set amount of time but maybe there aren't or they aren't applied.

 

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View Hrolf The Ganger's Profile Hrolf The Ganger Flag 26 Nov 23 3.39pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

I certainly don’t regard the number of overseas workers needed by the NHS as a positive. I just regard it as an essential in the present circumstances.

All from overseas who work there have to undergo adaptation courses and pass English competency exams before being given visas.

But the reality is somewhat different, as I'm sure you know.

My daughter is currently working in an antenatal ward.
Speaking clear English and understanding what is required is a problem, believe me.

 

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View Teddy Eagle's Profile Teddy Eagle Online Flag 26 Nov 23 3.54pm Send a Private Message to Teddy Eagle Add Teddy Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

It’s not just around here, I think this is a widespread problem.

The work is hard and local people don’t want to do it. The problem is the benefit culture which enables people to survive without effort.

It’s not simply the unemployed who are involved. Many are able to draw benefits for other reasons when the reality is they could still work in some way, but choose not to. Anyone capable of posting on social media at all hours, who is of working age, is also capable of undertaking some kind of work.

The problem with them is that the costs involved in establishing the necessary support, training and verification systems outweighs the costs of just paying them benefits. So the political imperative isn’t there. The moral and long term imperative is though.

A view from the Guardian.

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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Flag 26 Nov 23 4.44pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

But the reality is somewhat different, as I'm sure you know.

My daughter is currently working in an antenatal ward.
Speaking clear English and understanding what is required is a problem, believe me.

'English competency' passes.

Watching the decline.

 


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View Badger11's Profile Badger11 Flag Beckenham 26 Nov 23 4.48pm Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

'English competency' passes.

Watching the decline.

I expect if you go on the internet the answers are there. A mate did some sort of building site safety test and failed (he is dumb) he couldn't work out how the others in the group who could barely speak English passed. One of them took pity on him and gave him the answers cribbed from the internet he retook and passed.

Edited by Badger11 (26 Nov 2023 4.48pm)

 


One more point

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