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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 14 Sep 17 2.36pm
Originally posted by hedgehog50 You are saying they are fascists! Mind you, as you seem to regard anyone who disagrees with you as fascists, I guess that makes you prejudiced against most people. Sikhs in the EDL could easily be branded fascists. Doesn't mean every Sikh is. Are you really that dim? Edited by nickgusset (14 Sep 2017 2.36pm)
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Shizzlehurst 14 Sep 17 2.36pm

Originally posted by hedgehog50

You are saying they are fascists! Mind you, as you seem to regard anyone who disagrees with you as fascists, I guess that makes you prejudiced against most people.

Sikhs in the EDL could easily be branded fascists. Doesn't mean every Sikh is.
Are you really that dim?

Edited by nickgusset (14 Sep 2017 2.36pm)

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dannyh wherever I lay my hat....... 14 Sep 17 2.38pm
Originally posted by nickgusset Sikhs in the EDL could easily be branded fascists. Doesn't mean every Sikh is. Are you really that dim? Edited by nickgusset (14 Sep 2017 2.36pm) Point proven. "It's not the bullet that's got my name on it that concerns me; it's all them other ones flyin' around marked 'To Whom It May Concern.'"
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dannyh

wherever I lay my hat....... 14 Sep 17 2.38pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

Sikhs in the EDL could easily be branded fascists. Doesn't mean every Sikh is.
Are you really that dim?

Edited by nickgusset (14 Sep 2017 2.36pm)

Point proven.

"It's not the bullet that's got my name on it that concerns me; it's all them other ones flyin' around marked 'To Whom It May Concern.'"

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hedgehog50 Croydon 14 Sep 17 2.41pm
Originally posted by nickgusset Sikhs in the EDL could easily be branded fascists. Doesn't mean every Sikh is. Are you really that dim? Edited by nickgusset (14 Sep 2017 2.36pm) Is it just fascist Sikhs that you are prejudiced against then, or are there other categories? We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]
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Croydon 14 Sep 17 2.41pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

Sikhs in the EDL could easily be branded fascists. Doesn't mean every Sikh is.
Are you really that dim?

Edited by nickgusset (14 Sep 2017 2.36pm)

Is it just fascist Sikhs that you are prejudiced against then, or are there other categories?

We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]

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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 14 Sep 17 2.43pm
Originally posted by dannyh Point proven. What would you describe EDL members as?
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Shizzlehurst 14 Sep 17 2.43pm

Originally posted by dannyh

Point proven.

What would you describe EDL members as?

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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 14 Sep 17 2.43pm
Originally posted by hedgehog50 Is it just fascist Sikhs that you are prejudiced against then, or are there other categories?
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Shizzlehurst 14 Sep 17 2.43pm

Originally posted by hedgehog50

Is it just fascist Sikhs that you are prejudiced against then, or are there other categories?

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Stirlingsays 14 Sep 17 3.08pm
Originally posted by nickgusset Here are the citations in the piece. A range of sources. I looked through most of that, I didn't find anything particularly damning. Opinion pieces and rumour aren't evidence Nick. I don't think you care....well I don't particular care either as I don't know what is fair in this case. Read that Nawaz book yet? Or was that just a screenshot. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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14 Sep 17 3.08pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

Here are the citations in the piece. A range of sources.

I looked through most of that, I didn't find anything particularly damning. Opinion pieces and rumour aren't evidence Nick.

I don't think you care....well I don't particular care either as I don't know what is fair in this case.

Read that Nawaz book yet? Or was that just a screenshot.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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Stirlingsays 14 Sep 17 3.11pm
Originally posted by nickgusset What would you describe EDL members as? Asking questions of others Nick.... I don't know about individuals but I'm impressed with their mission statement. Like you did with the key points of Labour's manifesto. What points do you object to in the EDL mission statement. [Link] Edited by Stirlingsays (14 Sep 2017 3.11pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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14 Sep 17 3.11pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

What would you describe EDL members as?

Asking questions of others Nick....

I don't know about individuals but I'm impressed with their mission statement.

Like you did with the key points of Labour's manifesto. What points do you object to in the EDL mission statement.

[Link]

Edited by Stirlingsays (14 Sep 2017 3.11pm)

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dannyh wherever I lay my hat....... 14 Sep 17 3.12pm
Originally posted by nickgusset What would you describe EDL members as? What would you describe momentum members as ? "It's not the bullet that's got my name on it that concerns me; it's all them other ones flyin' around marked 'To Whom It May Concern.'"
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dannyh

wherever I lay my hat....... 14 Sep 17 3.12pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

What would you describe EDL members as?

What would you describe momentum members as ?

"It's not the bullet that's got my name on it that concerns me; it's all them other ones flyin' around marked 'To Whom It May Concern.'"

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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 14 Sep 17 3.17pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Asking questions of others Nick.... I don't know about individuals but I'm impressed with their mission statement. Like you did with the key points of Labour's manifesto. What points do you object to in the EDL mission statement. [Link] Edited by Stirlingsays (14 Sep 2017 3.11pm) Just post the mission statment. I'm not wasting my time wading through the EDL website trying to find it. Then I'll go through it for you.
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Shizzlehurst 14 Sep 17 3.17pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Asking questions of others Nick....

I don't know about individuals but I'm impressed with their mission statement.

Like you did with the key points of Labour's manifesto. What points do you object to in the EDL mission statement.

[Link]

Edited by Stirlingsays (14 Sep 2017 3.11pm)

Just post the mission statment. I'm not wasting my time wading through the EDL website trying to find it. Then I'll go through it for you.

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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 14 Sep 17 3.23pm
Originally posted by dannyh What would you describe momentum members as ? There's loads of different types of people in momentum. Bus drivers, retired grannies, students, gays, straights, teachers , doctors etc etc. In the main,they all want labour to represent ordinary people and bring back essential services and amenities to public ownership. Of course there will be some radicals and ejits among them, much as there is with any large group of people.
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Shizzlehurst 14 Sep 17 3.23pm

Originally posted by dannyh

What would you describe momentum members as ?

There's loads of different types of people in momentum. Bus drivers, retired grannies, students, gays, straights, teachers , doctors etc etc. In the main,they all want labour to represent ordinary people and bring back essential services and amenities to public ownership.
Of course there will be some radicals and ejits among them, much as there is with any large group of people.

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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 14 Sep 17 3.27pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays I looked through most of that, I didn't find anything particularly damning. Opinion pieces and rumour aren't evidence Nick. I don't think you care....well I don't particular care either as I don't know what is fair in this case. Read that Nawaz book yet? Or was that just a screenshot. Being jailed for making a bomb isn't damning? That's just one example of many facts in there. You are right though, some of the citations are from opinion pieces. If you wish to dismiss those, fine. But you can't dismiss the arrests and prison sentences.
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Shizzlehurst 14 Sep 17 3.27pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

I looked through most of that, I didn't find anything particularly damning. Opinion pieces and rumour aren't evidence Nick.

I don't think you care....well I don't particular care either as I don't know what is fair in this case.

Read that Nawaz book yet? Or was that just a screenshot.

Being jailed for making a bomb isn't damning? That's just one example of many facts in there. You are right though, some of the citations are from opinion pieces. If you wish to dismiss those, fine. But you can't dismiss the arrests and prison sentences.

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Stirlingsays 14 Sep 17 3.30pm
Originally posted by nickgusset Just post the mission statment. I'm not wasting my time wading through the EDL website trying to find it. Then I'll go through it for you. I linked to the actual mission statement page but sure....though I don't like doing things like that as it makes a large post most of the time...and I don't know this group well enough to 'promote' them. But as you specifically asked. I'll just keep it to their intro and bullet points. About Us The world is a dangerous place to live in; not because of the people who are evil, but because of the people who don’t do anything about it. – Albert Einstein, refugee from Nazi Germany The English Defence League’s Mission Summary (1) The English Defence League has risen from the English working class to act, lead and inspire in the struggle against global Islamification (2) The English Defence League stands for human rights • We stand for free speech in practice • We stand for free speech in the law • We stand for the right of English people to their own country over and above people from elsewhere • We stand for the right of British Muslims to speak freely about problems deriving from Islam • Our activities are peaceful. We are committed to non-violence (3) The English Defence League stands for democracy and the rule of law • We stand for democracy and the rule of law by opposing sharia • We stand for English cultural norms by opposing sharia • We oppose the Islamic distinction between Muslims and non-Muslims (kuffar) • We demand effective action against the threat of terrorism in the UK (4) The English Defence League educates the British public about Islam • We reject politically correct depictions of Islam in Britain • We promote an open debate about Islam in British life • We promote a balanced depiction of Islam as a religion and ideology (5) The English Defence League respects English tradition • We are proud of England’s culture • We expect migrants to the UK to live in harmony with English culture • We refuse to tolerate the intolerant • We support our armed forces The English Defence League is international in outlook • We work in solidarity with others around the world Edited by Stirlingsays (14 Sep 2017 3.34pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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14 Sep 17 3.30pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

Just post the mission statment. I'm not wasting my time wading through the EDL website trying to find it. Then I'll go through it for you.

I linked to the actual mission statement page but sure....though I don't like doing things like that as it makes a large post most of the time...and I don't know this group well enough to 'promote' them. But as you specifically asked. I'll just keep it to their intro and bullet points.

About Us

The world is a dangerous place to live in; not because of the people who are evil, but because of the people who don’t do anything about it. – Albert Einstein, refugee from Nazi Germany

The English Defence League’s Mission Summary

(1) The English Defence League has risen from the English working class to act, lead and inspire in the struggle against global Islamification

(2) The English Defence League stands for human rights
• We stand for free speech in practice
• We stand for free speech in the law
• We stand for the right of English people to their own country over and above people from elsewhere
• We stand for the right of British Muslims to speak freely about problems deriving from Islam
• Our activities are peaceful. We are committed to non-violence

(3) The English Defence League stands for democracy and the rule of law
• We stand for democracy and the rule of law by opposing sharia
• We stand for English cultural norms by opposing sharia
• We oppose the Islamic distinction between Muslims and non-Muslims (kuffar)
• We demand effective action against the threat of terrorism in the UK

(4) The English Defence League educates the British public about Islam
• We reject politically correct depictions of Islam in Britain
• We promote an open debate about Islam in British life
• We promote a balanced depiction of Islam as a religion and ideology

(5) The English Defence League respects English tradition
• We are proud of England’s culture
• We expect migrants to the UK to live in harmony with English culture
• We refuse to tolerate the intolerant
• We support our armed forces

The English Defence League is international in outlook
• We work in solidarity with others around the world

Edited by Stirlingsays (14 Sep 2017 3.34pm)

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