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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Flag 04 Mar 22 6.02pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by Grumbles

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pretty good post.

in today's world all information needs to be analysed through a personal truth filter. However on balance we have a better understanding than the average Russian.

As you say we have been there before from the US POV with Cuba and. we know how that went.

My worry was Putin used to be "ultra-rationale" logical to the extreme, but the last 12 months he has changed or he has underestimated some basic assumptions, perhaps due to the lack of true data due to his own isolation.

Edited by Grumbles (04 Mar 2022 4.50pm)

It's a worry.

He's 69, maybe he's thinking I'm not going to make 80 and this is when to do something...he's apparently been bellicose over Ukraine for over a decade.

 


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Originally posted by Stirlingsays

It's a worry.

He's 69, maybe he's thinking I'm not going to make 80 and this is when to do something...he's apparently been bellicose over Ukraine for over a decade.

He has but "why now"?

 

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Originally posted by Grumbles

He has but "why now"?

It's a bad joke in a time of suffering but maybe he saw 'Zelensky dancing in high heels' video and it tipped him over the edge.

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Originally posted by Grumbles

He has but "why now"?

Trump went, putin came, thats why now ! Imo.

 

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View Grumbles's Profile Grumbles 04 Mar 22 6.23pm Send a Private Message to Grumbles Add Grumbles as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

It's a worry.

He's 69, maybe he's thinking I'm not going to make 80 and this is when to do something...he's apparently been bellicose over Ukraine for over a decade.

Legacy, just ask Blair

 

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Originally posted by Stirlingsays


Unfortunately anyone suggesting nuance is considered a Putin fan.

If you point out that the history of how we got here is more our lying politicians and Nato's fault you are regarded as effectively supporting Hitler or something. We are living in a world where people only want white and black to exist and where grey just annoys them.

I mean people throw about this idea that Putin is Hitler and expect to be taken seriously. Frankly that's an insult to any understanding of scale and history but that's the punch and judy level we reside at now.

I certainly support the Ukraine's right to defend itself. I don't support Putin's invasion. I do support taking a side but I don't support the war drumming and constant irrational commentary. If people want to fight for god's sake get on a plane and then train as they have will let you through Poland to Ukraine without a visa.

Anyone actually interested in looking under the cover knows that Ukraine is incredibly corrupt....frankly while their president is a brave man the more I find out the more appalled I am in our media for what they cover up. They literally act like the Ukrainian government's mouthpiece, even though several propaganda lies have been uncovered.

I'm sceptical of this latest attack on the nuclear plant, the lack of analysis of who benefits is actually more scary than the attack.

We are not living in a time of sanity.

Edited by Stirlingsays (04 Mar 2022 3.15pm)

Unfortunately there’s many twitter idiots looking for popularity when they don’t realise they’re going from understanding what’s led us here to tweeting the hell out of anything to help Putin. Just because they had a good point on covid laws, it doesn’t mean they’re arbiters of European borders and legitimacy of what Putin is doing, while they don’t even realise they’re doing it, plus tweets pretty much saying Ukraine should’ve surrendered. What a great idea. Encourage more invasions of the other non NATO neighbours. Then there’s idiotic comments on sanctions. Ironically Twitter today is as self serving as today’s politicians.

Edited by Rudi Hedman (04 Mar 2022 6.55pm)

 


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View kevlee's Profile kevlee Flag born Wandsworth emigrated to Lanc... 04 Mar 22 6.54pm Send a Private Message to kevlee Add kevlee as a friend

Originally posted by W12

The world is now divided into those that fall for propaganda and those that don't.

Ive just seen this... LOL - you mean like you!

 


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View Grumbles's Profile Grumbles 04 Mar 22 7.00pm Send a Private Message to Grumbles Add Grumbles as a friend

The world is now divided into those that fall for propaganda and those that don't.


I will not forget this, I suggest you try some response.

Edited by Grumbles (04 Mar 2022 7.01pm)

 

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View Grumbles's Profile Grumbles 04 Mar 22 7.02pm Send a Private Message to Grumbles Add Grumbles as a friend

Originally posted by kevlee

Ive just seen this... LOL - you mean like you!

The guy ain't bright.

 

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W12 04 Mar 22 7.24pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

The outcome of this war will be the west beefing up its operations against Russia, although the border may be pushed back it will force NATO to be expansionary.

So Putin will not achieve his goal even if he wins.

He could have settled with his gains in eastern ukraine which could be justified due to the ignored mini-war against the russian-speaking population.

Now it is him committing the atrocities he accused the ukrainians of, 90% of whom are just ordinary civilians going about their lives.

How he got the idea in his mind of de-nazifying them, now he just lies to himself about everything.

I'm afraid each morning we will discover how hollow and shallow we are in the west, we will not be physically helping Ukraine.


The outcome of the war will be economic collapse in the west

 

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View Grumbles's Profile Grumbles 04 Mar 22 7.26pm Send a Private Message to Grumbles Add Grumbles as a friend

Originally posted by W12

The outcome of the war will be economic collapse in the west

it seems more a brown trousers collapse in certain pants, please respond.

 

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W12 04 Mar 22 7.43pm

Originally posted by Grumbles

it seems more a brown trousers collapse in certain pants, please respond.

Not scared mate, prepared to take advantage and help my community at the same time. How about you after 3 days with no shops open?

 

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