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View The Dolphin's Profile The Dolphin Flag 04 Mar 22 1.25pm Send a Private Message to The Dolphin Add The Dolphin as a friend

I heard a great comment about Ian Blackford (vomit) after PMQ's on Wednesday.
Naturally there was massive support for Ukraine in the House and quite right too.
However, the radio commentator said that when Blackford stood up he thought he looked more like an airline steward because he was dressed so brightly in blue and yellow!

 

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BlueJay Flag UK 04 Mar 22 1.49pm

Originally posted by The Dolphin

I heard a great comment about Ian Blackford (vomit) after PMQ's on Wednesday.
Naturally there was massive support for Ukraine in the House and quite right too.
However, the radio commentator said that when Blackford stood up he thought he looked more like an airline steward because he was dressed so brightly in blue and yellow!

In the State of the Union address stateside, they were all teary eyed, and waving mini Ukranian flags while applauding the Ukranian ambassador who was in attendance. Then without skipping a beat Biden went on to make it crystal clear that the US would provide no military help at all hahah.. I mean, I get why, but they were clearly all completely tone deaf to the FACT that they'd just told her they're going to do f*** all to stop the invasion of her country.

 

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BlueJay Flag UK 04 Mar 22 1.51pm

4 Chinese students, 1 Indian killed by Russian attack on Kharkiv college dorm - 13 students killed after Russian forces fire on dorm at Kharkov State Academy of Culture - [Link]

More denazification in action..

 

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BlueJay Flag UK 04 Mar 22 1.55pm

"‘Up to 4,500’ M72 single-shot rocket launchers will be sent to Ukraine, the Canadian DND announced on 3 March."

I wonder how much of these promises actually materialise? But at least if they do people have a means to defend themselves to some extent.

Edited by BlueJay (04 Mar 2022 1.56pm)

 

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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Flag 04 Mar 22 1.58pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by The Dolphin

Chris Bryant MP seems to be somewhat vociferous on the Oligarch's and what should be done with their assets.
I know he was a Priest but am not too sure how up he is on business.
Quite how he expects the Government to seize all of this stuff overnight I have no idea.
It must be a pretty difficult thing to do so I wish he would shut the f*** up for a while.
He is also now calling out John Terry for posting that Abramovic was a great owner to work for.
Much as I dislike John Terry and much as he could have kept his mouth shut, he is still entitled to a view, as is Mr Bryant.
This particular MP wasn't so clean himself during the expenses scandal either!
I am a little off topic and so will stop my rant!

Chris Bryant has always been an up his own arse toady in my view. Not extreme but a good example of the shift the left made away from traditional working class roots.

So they aren't going to deal with the dirty and blood money in London but instead they are just going to seize assets if you're Russian.

This wasn't what I had in mind, I wanted a more general restructuring but more fool me.

Edited by Stirlingsays (04 Mar 2022 1.59pm)

 


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W12 04 Mar 22 2.03pm

Originally posted by BlueJay

"‘Up to 4,500’ M72 single-shot rocket launchers will be sent to Ukraine, the Canadian DND announced on 3 March."

Liberals like Trudeau are all f***ing warmongers because they are narcissists and authoritarian by nature and fundamentally do not understand the nature of violence.

 

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BlueJay Flag UK 04 Mar 22 2.07pm

Originally posted by W12

Liberals like Trudeau are all f***ing warmongers because they are narcissists and authoritarian by nature and fundamentally do not understand the nature of violence.

I support the Ukrainian people being able to defend themselves against attack where it is brought to their door.

This brand of 'freedom' appears to involve support for a country where you can be imprisoned for 15 years for even acknowledging that war is taking place, and becoming angry that those under relentless attack are supplied with arms. Calling 'that' the war mongering. Russia is a country where you're liable to be poisoned or killed if you even represent a different future.

As I said, people here don't know how good they have it. Such hatred (the buying of a largely arbitrary packaged outlook - just as it is at the other political extreme) towards one brand of politics, ends up with endorsement of worse versions in the opposite direction. And the cycle repeats.

"If you gaze into the abyss, the abyss gazes also into you."


Edited by BlueJay (04 Mar 2022 2.50pm)

 

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Originally posted by W12

Liberals like Trudeau are all f***ing warmongers because they are narcissists and authoritarian by nature and fundamentally do not understand the nature of violence.

Trudeau's government is a peep into what western globalism wants to be.

 


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croydon proud Flag Any european country i fancy! 04 Mar 22 2.20pm

Originally posted by BlueJay

Sounds like he's going overboard in arbitrarily taking on individuals. Angry tweets and waving Ukrainian flags doesn't really achieve a great deal.

With the actual sanctions I suppose it's more about sending a message and twisting arms. The government, it should be stated have no real intention of doing all that much anyway, so that's the real story. They have given a 30 day window for these Oligarchs to move their money, so effectively there are few sanctions against them right now anyway.

Yes, we are going to take all your money and shut you down you rascals- in 30 days- that will hurt you! See how we gave it to those pesky ruskies peoples? That will show them, we are a tough bunch, bungle, liz and jacob, they don"t like it up em!

 

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W12 04 Mar 22 2.51pm

Originally posted by BlueJay

I support the Ukrainian people being able to defend themselves against attack where it is brought to their door. It's a bit eyed eyes to be angry at him for war mongering and say nothing as to the behaviour of Putin and the deaths of innocents caused by his invasion of Ukraine.

Edited by BlueJay (04 Mar 2022 2.10pm)

Ukraine is the most corrupt country in Europe, Zelenski is a puppet and the country is run by gangsters and neo-nazis. A proxy government was installed in 2014 as part of a violent revolution (removing a somewhat democratically elected government) and they have been attacking ethnic Russians since then in the east killing some 14,000 civilians according to the UN. They also cut off the water supply to the Crimea a few years ago and crops have been failing since.

Watch this speech:

These neo-nazis are in senior positions in the Ukraine military and we are now arming them.

Putin has been warning the west that he cannot accept NATO influence in Ukraine for years and western analysts and US generals have been warning about this. Putin has clear goals to secure a buffer zone in Ukraine between Russia and Nato/EU and remove/destroy any US military installations (like US funded bio weapons labs) and will probably annex the east or declare it independent. I expect he will install his own government in Ukraine.

I see no clear verified evidence of Russian forces attacking civilians en mass or even a significant ground war yet (I see no incentive for them to do that anyway) and I have no trust in our media to report things accurately based on experience. Meanwhile I keep an eye on Ukrainians, Russians and independent media on the ground to verify what's actually going on. I obviously feel for Ukranians as a people though.

Meanwhile, everyone in the west has gone off the deep end, cheered on by the usual blue check marks and mass media. There can be no nuance and no dissent from the approved state narrative.

Edited by W12 (04 Mar 2022 2.52pm)

 

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View Rudi Hedman's Profile Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 04 Mar 22 2.58pm Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

Originally posted by BlueJay

Russia has literally just closed just about any TV station that genuinely reports on this war, and talk of this being a war or invasion is now 'fake news' punishable by 15 years in prison in line with new legislation. Russia is much more of an example of some kind of Orwellian reality than our country, and yet with some on here we're more likely to see people toeing the Kremlin line with what a strong leader he is, how they're cheering him on, and how terrible our society is.

In this country, though there are concerning attempts to politically curtail freedoms on various fronts (which I oppose) realistically people don't know how good they have it in comparison and the root of their anger is more not being able to curtail others freedoms to live their lives, rather than anything of substance and restriction in their own. That's why they openly admire someone like Putin; because he crushes, imprisons and extinguishes ideas and voices they reject.

Edited by BlueJay (04 Mar 2022 2.02pm)

All of this post can be seen all over twitter and it’s embarrassing. It’s from people who opposed all the covid responses which a lot of the time they had a point. Now however they’ve decided that being contrarian works for everything, under the claim of ‘’I look for answers/nuance…. blah blah blah.’’ Now this would be fine if they weren’t criticising absolutely everything western on this while applauding Russian tv tweets & whatever also comes out of China, which incidentally isn’t so clear cut as they don’t point the finger at which side is responsible for this. But never mind, retweet with or without quotes anything you come across without realising the damage and dirty work you could be doing for Putin . Oh but ‘’I can be against the invasion but agree with the Putin’s opinion (whatever)’’ It’s so fecking immature and desperate for likes and to be right they don’t realise when they go beyond understanding Putin’s reasons to helping him get public sympathy and acceptance with what he’s doing. All done while they claim to somehow be on the button and in the know, while everyone else is clueless, nodding along to British tv, yet they’re getting their insider info from RT and wherever else Russian and controlled by Putin.

Edited by Rudi Hedman (04 Mar 2022 3.01pm)

 


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W12 04 Mar 22 3.08pm

Meanwhile in New Zealand:

 

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