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View steeleye20's Profile steeleye20 Flag Croydon 20 Jan 22 2.38pm Send a Private Message to steeleye20 Add steeleye20 as a friend

A new Grenfell Tower proposed with only one staircase.

Here is a link:-

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View cryrst's Profile cryrst Flag The garden of England 20 Jan 22 7.40pm Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

Originally posted by steeleye20

A new Grenfell Tower proposed with only one staircase.

Here is a link:-

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So how many stair ways should it have. Are you an architect or a safety officer?
Stay put works if the building has fire rated risers, stairwells, front doors and non flammable walls. If all the entrances are x distance from said corrrct size stairs and said stairs have the correct smoke ventilation systems along with sprinklers,intumescent protected doors and refuge points it works. New buildings cannot all be assumed as a wrong design due to grenfell. Moving on would be a better way forwards.

 

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croydon proud Flag Any european country i fancy! 20 Jan 22 10.34pm

Originally posted by cryrst

So how many stair ways should it have. Are you an architect or a safety officer?
Stay put works if the building has fire rated risers, stairwells, front doors and non flammable walls. If all the entrances are x distance from said corrrct size stairs and said stairs have the correct smoke ventilation systems along with sprinklers,intumescent protected doors and refuge points it works. New buildings cannot all be assumed as a wrong design due to grenfell. Moving on would be a better way forwards.

Move on after a thorough investigation in to the CON servative council who gave the go ahead for flammable cladding to kill 78 people and save £6000, and jail time, then move on!

 

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View Mapletree's Profile Mapletree Flag Croydon 20 Jan 22 11.06pm Send a Private Message to Mapletree Add Mapletree as a friend

Originally posted by cryrst

So how many stair ways should it have. Are you an architect or a safety officer?
Stay put works if the building has fire rated risers, stairwells, front doors and non flammable walls. If all the entrances are x distance from said corrrct size stairs and said stairs have the correct smoke ventilation systems along with sprinklers,intumescent protected doors and refuge points it works. New buildings cannot all be assumed as a wrong design due to grenfell. Moving on would be a better way forwards.

Developer Ballymore withdrew the application following a last-minute intervention by the London Fire Brigade.

"We do have concerns that the design submitted does not provide suitable and convenient means of escape and associated evacuation strategy for all building users," the fire service said in a statement on its website published yesterday.

"In buildings with a single escape route, we would expect the developer to have their own fire engineers provide a full review to show the resilience in the event of a fire and this does not appear to have been carried out."

 

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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Flag 20 Jan 22 11.21pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Personally I don't care how rigorous or successful a system is thought to be. If I only have a single route of escape I'm not happy about it.

Logic tells you that living high in a Tower makes escape hard...well impossible, if stuff goes to sh1t.

I was thinking the other day if flying drone systems could be used in fire work.....probably be a lot more useful at attacking height fires externally. No doubt it's already been considered.

Edited by Stirlingsays (20 Jan 2022 11.22pm)

 


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View Mapletree's Profile Mapletree Flag Croydon 20 Jan 22 11.24pm Send a Private Message to Mapletree Add Mapletree as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Personally I don't care how rigorous or successful a system is thought to be. If I only have a single route of escape I'm not happy about it.

Logic tells you that living high in a Tower makes escape hard...well impossible, if stuff goes to sh1t.

I was thinking the other day if flying drone systems could be used in fire work.....probably be a lot more useful at attacking height fires externally. No doubt it's already been considered.

Edited by Stirlingsays (20 Jan 2022 11.22pm)

I have a spare parachute rig should you need it.

 

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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Flag 20 Jan 22 11.32pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by Mapletree

I have a spare parachute rig should you need it.

I've often thought why didn't the WTC towers have them as a fall back...if you forgive the pun.....you'd think with all that money there would have been a plan C or D.

No doubt plenty just sat tight regarding it as the best option.

Then again, you have to be high enough and be able to jump clear enough...and hope the wind doesn't push you back towards the building.

Thankfully I've never lived in one of those things.

Edited by Stirlingsays (20 Jan 2022 11.33pm)

 


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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Flag 20 Jan 22 11.40pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Cable lines to lower height buildings probably makes sense....though some way of ensuring it couldn't be misused would be difficult.

 


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View anerley_eagle's Profile anerley_eagle Flag Mid Wales 20 Jan 22 11.40pm Send a Private Message to anerley_eagle Add anerley_eagle as a friend

"It will also have 100% non-combustible facades."

 

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View Jimenez's Profile Jimenez Flag SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 20 Jan 22 11.41pm Send a Private Message to Jimenez Add Jimenez as a friend

Originally posted by Mapletree

Developer Ballymore withdrew the application following a last-minute intervention by the London Fire Brigade.

"We do have concerns that the design submitted does not provide suitable and convenient means of escape and associated evacuation strategy for all building users," the fire service said in a statement on its website published yesterday.

"In buildings with a single escape route, we would expect the developer to have their own fire engineers provide a full review to show the resilience in the event of a fire and this does not appear to have been carried out."

There should be a minimum of two stair cases in each building & tenants should be made to attend mandatory fire drills twice a year to acclimatise themselves on how to escape If unfortunate enough to be in a major blaze in their building.

 


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View Mapletree's Profile Mapletree Flag Croydon 20 Jan 22 11.42pm Send a Private Message to Mapletree Add Mapletree as a friend

Originally posted by anerley_eagle

"It will also have 100% non-combustible facades."

Asbestos would be great for that

 

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View cryrst's Profile cryrst Flag The garden of England 21 Jan 22 5.20am Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

Originally posted by croydon proud

Move on after a thorough investigation in to the CON servative council who gave the go ahead for flammable cladding to kill 78 people and save £6000, and jail time, then move on!

My point wasn't about grenfell and that investigation is still ongoing. It was about buildings in general. Just sometimes it doesn't always have to be about politics and hmg!
BTW if they send some people to jail it appears everything will be OK in CP world.

 

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