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Originally posted by CrazyBadger
Clubs like Wolves and Newcastle are sleeping giants whereas we have absolutely no history at all and with the exception of one year 40 years ago we have always been perpetual strugglers in the top flight and if it hadn't been for the happy accident of having a young kid called Zaha in our academy we would have sunk without trace years ago
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Originally posted by jeeagles
You've really got to start looking externally to see how other clubs are run. Roy has two decent seasons. But he has 34 games to avoid relegation with what was possibly our best ever squad that season. FdB should have won the Huddersfield and Swansea games, Liverpool and Burnley away were free hits so we were only effectively 6 points behind where we needed to be. Not a miracle worker by any means. Pullis, Pardew and BFS took on the team from a much worse position with worse squads and finished higher. CPFC2010 have sacked 4 managers in a decade. Burley, Pardew and Hodgson were given plenty of time. Warnock shouldn't really have had the job in the first place and we got Pardew in the next day. FdB was an unforeseeable disaster - he seem to be someone who said all the right things at interview then did the exact opposite. Holloway wasn't sacked and his initial resignation was rejected. We haven't treated managers badly at all. Except Roy, that is, he came in has had little support in the transfer market for an aging team, that he largely inherited from previous Managers.He has not walked like other before him, because of lack of investment in the team, accepted 50mil transfer of one of our best young defenders in a long time without that money being ploughed back into the team. Despite this, he has kept us up for three years and by doing so, he has earned the club substantial income, this I suspect was his tasked brief from Parish. Now some want him to go, he deserves more respect than that. As I have said many times here you will be hard pressed to find a replacement whilst we have such a dysfunctional board, no manager who is any good and worth his sorts would want to come to a club, whilst the board will not invest in the long term future of the team.
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Originally posted by Den1923
Except Roy, that is, he came in has had little support in the transfer market for an aging team, that he largely inherited from previous Managers.He has not walked like other before him, because of lack of investment in the team, accepted 50mil transfer of one of our best young defenders in a long time without that money being ploughed back into the team. Despite this, he has kept us up for three years and by doing so, he has earned the club substantial income, this I suspect was his tasked brief from Parish. Now some want him to go, he deserves more respect than that. As I have said many times here you will be hard pressed to find a replacement whilst we have such a dysfunctional board, no manager who is any good and worth his sorts would want to come to a club, whilst the board will not invest in the long term future of the team. Maybe they are just not prepared to open the chequebook unreservedly to a 73 year old manager, who realistically cannot have a long-term future here, to buy players that may well not suit the next incumbent. It's happened too many times before.
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Originally posted by becky
Maybe they are just not prepared to open the chequebook unreservedly to a 73 year old manager, who realistically cannot have a long-term future here, to buy players that may well not suit the next incumbent. It's happened too many times before.
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Originally posted by Den1923
FdB with his expansive possession football nearly got us relegated before Christmas. Bit of an exaggeration. FdB left us on 11th September. I suppose that, strictly speaking, that is, as you say, before Christmas.
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Originally posted by doombear
Net transfer spend (except for the BFS window) seems to be around £20m every summer. That seems to be all their is available and it wouldn't be wise to invest more at this time. We've got the 9th biggest wage bill and the 34th biggest stadium in England. We have just gone a decade without going into administration. Financial, the club is operating at it's limit. Roy has shown enough self preservation skills to acknowledge that. It must have been a very tough call to tell Pullis and BFS that there is no money in the pot and they aren't going to put the clubs future at risk. Pullis and BFS were confident of getting jobs elsewhere after Palace which could have been the driver for a more forthright approach. Fulham and West Brom are going to really struggle. We have to outperform one team to stay up. It should be the minimum expectation. Edited by jeeagles (09 Oct 2020 3.53pm)
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Originally posted by JRW2
Bit of an exaggeration. FdB left us on 11th September. I suppose that, strictly speaking, that is, as you say, before Christmas. No it's not, Roy went another 3/4 games before getting his first points, it took him time to get the defensive frailty left by FdB and Pardew before him out of their system. Although we will never be able to say what would have happened had FdV stayed,I for one would not have wanted to bet that we would have not been relegated by Christmas that year. The point I'm making is Roy saved us and that I can be sure of. The article below says it all!
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Originally posted by Den1923
No it's not, Roy went another 3/4 games before getting his first points, it took him time to get the defensive frailty left by FdB and Pardew before him out of their system. Although we will never be able to say what would have happened had FdV stayed,I for one would not have wanted to bet that we would have not been relegated by Christmas that year. The point I'm making is Roy saved us and that I can be sure of. The article below says it all! Its impossible to be relegated by Christmas as there are a possible 57 points still to be played for in half a season. Just saying.
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Originally posted by Eaglecoops
Its impossible to be relegated by Christmas as there are a possible 57 points still to be played for in half a season. Just saying.
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Originally posted by Midlands Eagle
Clubs like Wolves and Newcastle are sleeping giants whereas we have absolutely no history at all and with the exception of one year 40 years ago we have always been perpetual strugglers in the top flight and if it hadn't been for the happy accident of having a young kid called Zaha in our academy we would have sunk without trace years ago Very correct.
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Originally posted by Midlands Eagle
Clubs like Wolves and Newcastle are sleeping giants whereas we have absolutely no history at all and with the exception of one year 40 years ago we have always been perpetual strugglers in the top flight and if it hadn't been for the happy accident of having a young kid called Zaha in our academy we would have sunk without trace years ago Sorry, but the moment you mentioned Newcastle as a, and I quote, "sleeping giant" you lost all credibility.
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Originally posted by Alexi_the_Eagle
Sorry, but the moment you mentioned Newcastle as a, and I quote, "sleeping giant" you lost all credibility. Well they might have been sleeping for a long time, but I would say that being four times league champions, six time FA Cup winners and a couple of (minor) European trophies, does put them in that category, yes.
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Originally posted by Alexi_the_Eagle
Sorry, but the moment you mentioned Newcastle as a, and I quote, "sleeping giant" you lost all credibility. First Division Champions ..190405, 190607, 190809, 192627. Second Division/Championship Champions ..196465, 199293, 200910, 201617. FA Cup Winners ..190910, 192324, 193132, 195051, 195152, 195455.
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Newcastle are huge sleepers, for too long now they've been wearing them on the pitch. Edited by Tickled pink (10 Oct 2020 11.17am)
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Originally posted by Den1923
No it's not, Roy went another 3/4 games before getting his first points, it took him time to get the defensive frailty left by FdB and Pardew before him out of their system. Although we will never be able to say what would have happened had FdV stayed,I for one would not have wanted to bet that we would have not been relegated by Christmas that year. The point I'm making is Roy saved us and that I can be sure of. The article below says it all! Totally agree. I was treating your remark about being relegated by Christmas too literally. Unless a team is more than 57 points behind the team 4th from bottom at the halfway stage, it cannot at that point be said to be relegated. A silly point to make, I admit.
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Originally posted by Tickled pink
First Division Champions ..190405, 190607, 190809, 192627. Second Division/Championship Champions ..196465, 199293, 200910, 201617. FA Cup Winners ..190910, 192324, 193132, 195051, 195152, 195455. No league titles in 92 years doesnt make you "sleeping giants"
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Originally posted by JRW2
Totally agree. I was treating your remark about being relegated by Christmas too literally. Unless a team is more than 57 points behind the team 4th from bottom at the halfway stage, it cannot at that point be said to be relegated. A silly point to make, I admit.
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Originally posted by Alexi_the_Eagle
No league titles in 92 years doesnt make you "sleeping giants"
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