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Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 22 Jul 20 10.43am

Originally posted by NEILLO

Yes I agree.

Also good to see that gradually people are realising that this is not all of Roy Hodgson's fault....

Yes I’m of the opinion that if we can hire a manager we’re happy with and suits us now and in the next few seasons then we part company with Roy. I wouldn’t sack Roy without a clue as to what to do next, which is our usual starting place after a manager surprises us he’s had enough.

 


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AERO Flag 22 Jul 20 10.59am

Maybe the decision rests on Bournemouth's relagation survival ?

 

EverybodyDannsNow Flag SE19 22 Jul 20 11.08am

Originally posted by NEILLO

Yes I agree.

Also good to see that gradually people are realising that this is not all of Roy Hodgson's fault....

I don’t think anyone ever thought that.

 

NEILLO Flag Shoreham-by-Sea 22 Jul 20 12.18pm

Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

I don’t think anyone ever thought that.

Maybe they just didn't articulate it then

 


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PZ Eagle Flag Penzance 22 Jul 20 12.19pm

4-5-5-3-5-4-4

The above figures indicate the number of rest days between our games since the restart. Add in no fans and no atmosphere at games and it's totally obvious that it's not football as we know it. Basically no time to train normally between games or properly recover from niggling injuries. Probably not much time for proper analy.ing videos of opponents.

Obviously it's not great that we have lost seven on the trot but I am not going to panic or start screaming for the manager to be sacked unless when we are back to normal with weeks between games its still happening.

 


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Cucking Funt Flag Clapham on the Back 22 Jul 20 12.32pm

Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

I don’t think anyone ever thought that.

I think one or two did.

 


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cryrst Flag The garden of England 22 Jul 20 12.33pm

Originally posted by PZ Eagle

4-5-5-3-5-4-4

The above figures indicate the number of rest days between our games since the restart. Add in no fans and no atmosphere at games and it's totally obvious that it's not football as we know it. Basically no time to train normally between games or properly recover from niggling injuries. Probably not much time for proper analy.ing videos of opponents.

Obviously it's not great that we have lost seven on the trot but I am not going to panic or start screaming for the manager to be sacked unless when we are back to normal with weeks between games its still happening.

We play the same every game. Why waste time anylyzing how opponents play. Spend that time wisely on the training pitch practising why you dont need to anylyze other teams

 

Mwncisee Flag Middlesbrough 22 Jul 20 12.57pm

Originally posted by Maine Eagle

Guess he just got unlucky with Sorloth then?

I get frustrated seeing people have a go with what happened with Sorloth. Two major things people forget:

1) He was always purchased as a 'risk' and backup. People really forget it was a choice between him and Jordy Hugill! We took the right one.

2) 99% of people on here berated him for not being good enough and all said getting him out the club was the best option. We did that and now he is doing well we seem to be blaming Roy for letting him go! Pretty certain most would have berated the club for not loaning him out at the time. Stinks of people having 20/20 hindsight.

 

EddieMac Flag 22 Jul 20 1.16pm

Originally posted by southnorwoodhill

Food for thought:
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We even had Adebayor on the books. 15th, 42 points

And:
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No Zaha - 11th 45 points

Edited by southnorwoodhill (22 Jul 2020 10.03am)

A lot has changed in football since then. Leicester won the league that year and Arsenal came 2nd.

 

southnorwoodhill Flag 22 Jul 20 1.36pm

Originally posted by EddieMac

A lot has changed in football since then. Leicester won the league that year and Arsenal came 2nd.

I'm not sure what relevance Leicester and Arsenal have in relation to the various achievements of recent Palace managers and the current incumbent, but if you think you are making a valid point, as you were.

 

jeeagles Flag 22 Jul 20 1.45pm

Originally posted by southnorwoodhill

I'm not sure what relevance Leicester and Arsenal have in relation to the various achievements of recent Palace managers and the current incumbent, but if you think you are making a valid point, as you were.

Leicester didn't wait around to keep Ranieri when things were going wrong.

Arsenal kept Wenger for as long as they could.

Look at their current league positions.

 

EddieMac Flag 22 Jul 20 1.47pm

Originally posted by southnorwoodhill

I'm not sure what relevance Leicester and Arsenal have in relation to the various achievements of recent Palace managers and the current incumbent, but if you think you are making a valid point, as you were.

The relevance being that Leicester won the league that year and Arsenal came second, it shows the strenght of that league that year. So it is very relevant to comparing recent Palace managers.

 

Plaistow Eagle Flag 22 Jul 20 1.54pm

Originally posted by AERO

Maybe the decision rests on Bournemouth's relagation survival ?

Now this seems plausible and would like to see - IMO Eddie Howe would be an excellent and exciting appointment.

If you stand back and look objectively what he has achieved at Bournemouth;

Promotion to the top flight first time in their history 2014/15
5 years in the Prem
Limited budget
Average attendance - what 10K?
Top finish 9th 2016/17

OK may end this year - but done brilliantly to keep them up for 5 years with such limited resources and unlike us playing good football through the majority of that period.

He had a tough time at Burnley before returning to Bournemouth in 2012. But he’s far more experienced now and has 5 years of Prem experience under his belt..

A season or so ago I predicted he would be off to either Sours or Arsenal - but in that time maybe he’s stock has waned a little - so we could be a good fit - good for both parties.

If Bournemouth do go down could bring Ryan Fraser and David Brooks with him..!!

Maybe even move Roy “upstairs” for a year to work with him and put DF out to grass..!!

COYP

 

southnorwoodhill Flag 22 Jul 20 1.54pm

Originally posted by jeeagles

Leicester didn't wait around to keep Ranieri when things were going wrong.

Arsenal kept Wenger for as long as they could.

Look at their current league positions.

Going slightly off topic here but I remember at the time some Arsenal fans for whom Wenger could do no wrong, such was the nostalgic glow he held. Others were more pragmatic and realised that he had gone stale. Obviously not all his doing, the Arsenal board having much to do with the problems imho. Sounds familiar...

 

jeeagles Flag 22 Jul 20 1.56pm

Originally posted by PZ Eagle

4-5-5-3-5-4-4

The above figures indicate the number of rest days between our games since the restart. Add in no fans and no atmosphere at games and it's totally obvious that it's not football as we know it. Basically no time to train normally between games or properly recover from niggling injuries. Probably not much time for proper analy.ing videos of opponents.

Obviously it's not great that we have lost seven on the trot but I am not going to panic or start screaming for the manager to be sacked unless when we are back to normal with weeks between games its still happening.

This thread was starting to go so well.

It's the same situation for all teams, worse for teams still in the FA Cup. All managers now have 5 subs from a possible 9 they can make use of. We have an aging team and aren't giving fringe players a chance and hardly ever use subs. Soft tissue injuries are inevitable based on that approach. We aren't rotating the players. We've also had Schlupp and Townsend return from injury over lockdown. The manager can't simply claim to be unlucky, it's a soft excuse.

 

EddieMac Flag 22 Jul 20 1.57pm

Originally posted by southnorwoodhill

Going slightly off topic here but I remember at the time some Arsenal fans for whom Wenger could do no wrong, such was the nostalgic glow he held. Others were more pragmatic and realised that he had gone stale. Obviously not all his doing, the Arsenal board having much to do with the problems imho. Sounds familiar...

But the major difference here is that Hodgson is leaving in less than a year. So it’s not familiar in the slightest. The club are already planning on him leaving.

 

PatrickA Flag London 22 Jul 20 2.33pm

I read an interesting analysis of the game by Mourinho.
Essentially he was saying the game has four phases - defence, attack and the transitions from one to another.
In his view what separates the best from the rest is how they manage the transitions.
Under Hodgson we usually defend well and get back in a good defensive shape in transitions when our attacks break down.
However, it could be argued we don’t manage the other 2 phases well.
In this I have some sympathy with Hodgson as he hasn’t really got the tools at his disposal to manage the transition from defence to attack, in particular if Zaha is off the boil.
There is little pace in our midfield and attack so we appear pedestrian in our attacks.
One option I suppose would be to play more directly as we did under Pulis and Allardyce but Hodgson appears reluctant to employ this tactic.
If we do inject more pace into the team through acquisitions, in particular in the attacking areas , it will be interesting to see if we play more progressively.

 

Putitout Flag Oxford 22 Jul 20 2.42pm

The transition part can only be achieved when the passing is accurate and precise , the ball retention is consistent and reliable,
Watching Palace , that is only seen in patches. Old pro,s have either got it or they aim,t, Roy, can’t teach old dogs new tricks.

Edited by Putitout (22 Jul 2020 2.47pm)

Edited by Putitout (22 Jul 2020 2.49pm)

 

EddieMac Flag 22 Jul 20 3.18pm

Originally posted by PatrickA

I read an interesting analysis of the game by Mourinho.
Essentially he was saying the game has four phases - defence, attack and the transitions from one to another.
In his view what separates the best from the rest is how they manage the transitions.
Under Hodgson we usually defend well and get back in a good defensive shape in transitions when our attacks break down.
However, it could be argued we don’t manage the other 2 phases well.
In this I have some sympathy with Hodgson as he hasn’t really got the tools at his disposal to manage the transition from defence to attack, in particular if Zaha is off the boil.
There is little pace in our midfield and attack so we appear pedestrian in our attacks.
One option I suppose would be to play more directly as we did under Pulis and Allardyce but Hodgson appears reluctant to employ this tactic.
If we do inject more pace into the team through acquisitions, in particular in the attacking areas , it will be interesting to see if we play more progressively.

I would put lack of pace down as one of the major characteristics holding us back. Our lack of it dictates everything we do. Jimmy Mc is terrified to get forward because he hasn’t the legs any more to get back then we have Sakho who I honestly believe is the slowest player in the whole division.

 

ASCPFC Flag Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 22 Jul 20 3.27pm

I'm starting to just not care anymore, which is worrying. Have been like it once before, and even stopped watching for most of one season in the past.
Sick of the silly wages, lack of effort and no flair at all, even from Zaha. As for the tactics, nothing to talk about either.

 


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