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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 28 Apr 24 8.36pm

Originally posted by eagleman13

This will please Wisbeach(unfortunately} The bbc wants more funding for its world service on top of the £100m it gets from the FO to promote 'UK values' . . . [Link]

Yes it does. The BBC World Service is one of our countries greatest assets. It’s a source of trusted news in many places where the national broadcasters are state controlled. For the UK to be seen as trustworthy and reliable is vital at a time when such things are in short supply.

The World Service uses the reporters, and much of the programming, that the UK based service does. Weaken these in any way would be like scoring a hatful of own goals.

 


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Teddy Eagle Flag 28 Apr 24 8.38pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

I think that timeline shows that the BBC acted reasonably at all stages. You could argue they could have done more early on but until they are satisfied the complainant is who they say they are you can also argue they ought not to.

OK, carry on thinking that. Let's wait for the next time this happens and take comfort that lessons have been learned.

 

Badger11 Flag Beckenham 28 Apr 24 9.08pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Untrue. It was investigating before that. The first stage of which, understandably, was to verify identities, which was stymied by a lack of responses from the family member complainant. The lack of a response and subsequent contacting of the Sun carries a nasty odour and raises red flags about possible motivations.


Oh I get it, they are the wrong type of victim because it's the Sun.

As far as I am aware they have not asked for any money just that Edwards back off and stop paying their child money.

You conveniently ignored the BBC response

"The BBC accepted there were "lessons to be learned following this exercise",* and the organisation's group chief operating officer will assess whether protocols and procedures are appropriate."

*Just like the time before and the time before that and the time....

Edited by Badger11 (28 Apr 2024 9.09pm)

 


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nhp61 Flag Goring-By-Sea born, now in Brackne... 29 Apr 24 3.27pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

How much did the BBC know about Phillip Schofield?

Is there actually anyone straight working at the BBC?

I do believe that Scarlett Moffatt is one of the few straight people on the BBC's books.

However, she is most probably on their books because she ticks the box marked "cerebrally challenged"...

 

Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 29 Apr 24 4.08pm

Originally posted by Badger11


Oh I get it, they are the wrong type of victim because it's the Sun.

As far as I am aware they have not asked for any money just that Edwards back off and stop paying their child money.

You conveniently ignored the BBC response

"The BBC accepted there were "lessons to be learned following this exercise",* and the organisation's group chief operating officer will assess whether protocols and procedures are appropriate."

*Just like the time before and the time before that and the time....

Edited by Badger11 (28 Apr 2024 9.09pm)

It wasn’t the “victim” who contacted either the BBC or then the Sun. It was a close relative, I believe his mother. He denies being a victim and has issued a statement condemning the complaint. He is not a child. He is a 20 year old man who is legally responsible for his actions and decisions.

Does that raise red flags to you of an over protective mother trying to regain control over her son whilst making some money on the way?

The BBC apologised for not following up on the first contact but that was, in my opinion, unnecessary. If the lady failed to respond why should they chase her? Double checking protocols is never wasted but I bet they haven’t been altered as a consequence.

 


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Badger11 Flag Beckenham 29 Apr 24 4.48pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

It wasn’t the “victim” who contacted either the BBC or then the Sun. It was a close relative, I believe his mother. He denies being a victim and has issued a statement condemning the complaint. He is not a child. He is a 20 year old man who is legally responsible for his actions and decisions.

Does that raise red flags to you of an over protective mother trying to regain control over her son whilst making some money on the way?

The BBC apologised for not following up on the first contact but that was, in my opinion, unnecessary. If the lady failed to respond why should they chase her? Double checking protocols is never wasted but I bet they haven’t been altered as a consequence.

I know it was the parents but you seem to imply that because they complained to the Sun it is not to be trusted ergo the wrong victim.

The parents were simply trying to get Edwards to back off and stop funding their child's drug habit something as a parent yourself I would think you could understand.

The BBC's lack of action especially as it now appears that Edwards has previous was simply poor and they acknowledge that despite your protestations.

 


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palace_in_frogland Flag In a broken dream 29 Apr 24 4.57pm

Originally posted by nhp61

I do believe that Scarlett Moffatt is one of the few straight people on the BBC's books.

However, she is most probably on their books because she ticks the box marked "cerebrally challenged"...

I don’t know whether they also have a box marked “munter”, but boy does she put a big tick in that one...

 

Teddy Eagle Flag 29 Apr 24 5.13pm

Originally posted by Badger11

I know it was the parents but you seem to imply that because they complained to the Sun it is not to be trusted ergo the wrong victim.

The parents were simply trying to get Edwards to back off and stop funding their child's drug habit something as a parent yourself I would think you could understand.

The BBC's lack of action especially as it now appears that Edwards has previous was simply poor and they acknowledge that despite your protestations.

Also the other party was 17 when this started. Wouldn't most parents would be concerned if their son that age was receiving the equivalent of £1000 a month from a stranger for three years?

 

PalazioVecchio Flag south pole 29 Apr 24 5.42pm

Originally posted by eagleman13

This will please Wisbeach(unfortunately} The bbc wants more funding for its world service on top of the £100m it gets from the FO to promote 'UK values' . . . [Link]

to pay the BBC extra money to promote Britishness ? that's like paying Vinny Jones to teach schoolboys about safe ethical football tackling.

 


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Badger11 Flag Beckenham 29 Apr 24 5.43pm

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

Also the other party was 17 when this started. Wouldn't most parents would be concerned if their son that age was receiving the equivalent of £1000 a month from a stranger for three years?

I am not suggesting that Edwards knew what the money was for nor am I surprised that the victim denied it. If the parents are correct they are a drug addict and no doubt need money to fund their habit. Trying to cut off the money supply would be a sensible approach especially if the victim was refusing treatment.

What I find most odd is that the BBC senior management knew nothing about this until contacted by the Sun. The BBC claims that this is standard until the allegations are proven, very odd.

For the sake of argument imagine Edwards is completely innocent and has never had contact with the victim. That the complainers were actually targetting him and the BBC to damage it's reputation and extort money, and yet nobody thought the senior management should be informed of this?

In terms of procedures Edwards guilt or innocence was irrelevant at that stage senior management should have been made aware if nothing else to protect their staff.

I think this and the failure to follow up properly is why the BBC has said it will review it's procedures.


Edited by Badger11 (29 Apr 2024 6.07pm)

 


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Stirlingsays Flag 29 Apr 24 6.06pm

Originally posted by nhp61

I do believe that Scarlett Moffatt is one of the few straight people on the BBC's books.

However, she is most probably on their books because she ticks the box marked "cerebrally challenged"...

I reckon she must have ticked the 'open to carpet munching' box on the application form before she had the interview.

Edited by Stirlingsays (29 Apr 2024 6.07pm)

 


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Stirlingsays Flag 29 Apr 24 8.41pm

For the benefit of those who want to but are scared of giving up your TV licence I'll link here to an excellent video that addresses the disgusting threatening letters that the third party contractors that the BBC contracts to frighten the uninformed into paying this....often unwanted tax.

The guy who does these videos shows people exactly how to legally stop paying this tax and how to deal with the utter scummy tactics used against you.

The letters they send out are a utter disgrace. They are designed to scare people and give false impressions. When I think of the old people suffering to pay their bills in this cost of living crises these people make me sick.

Well, if you do decide to give up watching live television....and I did years ago and do very nicely. Here's a video to ease fears you might have about those letters.

[Link]

 


'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 29 Apr 24 8.53pm

Originally posted by Badger11

I know it was the parents but you seem to imply that because they complained to the Sun it is not to be trusted ergo the wrong victim.

The parents were simply trying to get Edwards to back off and stop funding their child's drug habit something as a parent yourself I would think you could understand.

The BBC's lack of action especially as it now appears that Edwards has previous was simply poor and they acknowledge that despite your protestations.

To repeat, he isn’t a child. He is a grown man. He distanced himself from what his parents had done. Was Edwards funding his drug habit or helping him to go to rehab? I don’t know and I don’t think anyone else does. If and when the whole story becomes public is the time to make judgements and until then I won’t.

 


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Teddy Eagle Flag 29 Apr 24 9.18pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

To repeat, he isn’t a child. He is a grown man. He distanced himself from what his parents had done. Was Edwards funding his drug habit or helping him to go to rehab? I don’t know and I don’t think anyone else does. If and when the whole story becomes public is the time to make judgements and until then I won’t.

Rehab? OK, he may have been operating out pure altruism.

[Link]

 

Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 29 Apr 24 10.34pm

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

Rehab? OK, he may have been operating out pure altruism.

[Link]

We have no idea what was complained about, only that it was made and subsequently withdrawn. How many complaints do TV companies get about presenters? How many get investigated, found genuine with action resulting? How long has Edwards been suffering from depression and what impact has it had on his behaviour ? I don’t know. Do you?

Until we know the full story and not drops of innuendo maybe we ought to suspend judgement.

 


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Stirlingsays Flag 29 Apr 24 10.37pm

Perhaps the defending poster could give Huw some gay nudist beach recommendations. They could share a special bond.

 


'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Teddy Eagle Flag 29 Apr 24 10.42pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

We have no idea what was complained about, only that it was made and subsequently withdrawn. How many complaints do TV companies get about presenters? How many get investigated, found genuine with action resulting? How long has Edwards been suffering from depression and what impact has it had on his behaviour ? I don’t know. Do you?

Until we know the full story and not drops of innuendo maybe we ought to suspend judgement.

Wasn't the complaint that he'd paid a teenager thousands of pounds for sexually explicit photos?

 

Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 29 Apr 24 10.50pm

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

Wasn't the complaint that he'd paid a teenager thousands of pounds for sexually explicit photos?

The one last year did not involve a teenager. The person concerned is an adult. It was the mother who complained about her “child”, thus enabling the Sun to present it as though Edwards was involved with someone under age.

The police have investigated and found no criminal activity. At worst what exists is careless behaviour that is inappropriate for someone in his position.

 


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Teddy Eagle Flag 29 Apr 24 10.55pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

The one last year did not involve a teenager. The person concerned is an adult. It was the mother who complained about her “child”, thus enabling the Sun to present it as though Edwards was involved with someone under age.

The police have investigated and found no criminal activity. At worst what exists is careless behaviour that is inappropriate for someone in his position.

He was 17 when it started. As previously posted how many parents would accept their 17 year old son being sent £35,000 by a stranger for sexually explicit photographs?

 

Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 29 Apr 24 11.23pm

The way the requirements are presently structured it does appear possible to legally avoid paying for a TV licence.

The real question then is not whether you can do this, but whether is it wise that it can?

For people like me who believe the BBC to be one of our greatest assets which should be paid for by everyone, whether they use it or not, the answer is an unequivocal no.

Ensuring that its funding is kept separate from taxation and the subsequent control that would give to the government of the day, is an imperative.

On top of that how do we know that individuals who are claiming not to watch live TV or the iPlayer are keeping their word? I am sure some are totally honourable whilst others are just avoiding paying because they can. Maybe in time all TVs will be supersmart and send an alert whenever an unlicensed location connects to a live broadcast or the iPlayer.

With the numbers not paying growing this is going to have to change. Bullets need to be bitten and hard choices made.

As turning the BBC into just another commercial broadcaster, with all the pressures that brings, would be to destroy something incredibly valuable I think a new model must be found. One that everyone pays and none can avoid.

My own preference is a broadband levy, collected by ISPs. Others have suggested a Council Tax levy which gives a degree of progressiveness to the charge.

It would not be popular with those for whom the BBC is nothing more than a broadcaster who they believe is biased against them but that’s inevitable.

 


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