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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 20 Jul 17 12.34pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

I'd probably make a stop off for Stalin, Lennin and Trotters just to get the full set, probably a bit of Mao as well.

I'd be curious though, what would have happened if Hitler wasn't born or died before becoming the leader of the National Socialist party of Germany. Would it avert the war, would the outcome of the war have been different? Could we be speaking German if the Military command had been answering less to a political idealist, than a pragmatist.

Good questions.

I suppose it depends if you think that individuals are the driving force in history or the wider circumstances. Probably both.
If the same set of variables were played out 100 times we might get 100 different results.
The other consideration when deciding to kill historical figures would be if a short term postponement of war or genocide might ultimately lead to a bigger disaster. Does any of it matter in terms of an existential conundrum given that planet Earth is doomed anyway?
I'm sure Germany could have occupied Britain and changed the course of the war with better leadership.


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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 20 Jul 17 2.19pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Good questions.

I suppose it depends if you think that individuals are the driving force in history or the wider circumstances. Probably both.
If the same set of variables were played out 100 times we might get 100 different results.
The other consideration when deciding to kill historical figures would be if a short term postponement of war or genocide might ultimately lead to a bigger disaster. Does any of it matter in terms of an existential conundrum given that planet Earth is doomed anyway?
I'm sure Germany could have occupied Britain and changed the course of the war with better leadership.


Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (20 Jul 2017 12.36pm)

In order for the Germans to invade the UK they needed to win the Battle of Britain - The German navy wasn't sufficient to protect an invasion force from the British Navy - In order to defeat the British Navy they needed to be able to eliminate their presence from the air. It had to destroy the air cover the UK could provide the Navy.

Apart from the German U-boat fleet, the German navy was insignificant by comparison to the British Fleet.

Of course they could have risked a 'surprise invasion' but given the numbers, the risk of being caught by the Navy and airforce is just too high.

 


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Stirlingsays Flag 20 Jul 17 2.22pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by hedgehog50

I thought this thread was supposed to be about Dr.Who, has turned into Dr.No.

 


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Stirlingsays Flag 20 Jul 17 2.38pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

I dunno about that, I'd say the difference really between the two, is that Hitler probably was less inclined to have you murdered if you were good at your job and popular.

Really?

Hitler had spoken of his admiration for certain British institutions. While everyone was subservient to Germany it wouldn't have been as bad as for the slavic nations for example.

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

The Nazi's were particularly brutal with anyone who spoke out. They executed Sophie Scholl and her brother for distributing an accurate account of what was happening on the Eastern Front.

As opposed to Stalin who wasn't particularly brutal with anyone who spoke out???

You could actually debate with Hitler if you were apart of his inner circle and he didn't regard you as a threat....Hitler complained about generals complaining all the time....Stalin just murdered them.

Stalin was brutal and paranoid. You had more chance of being executed if you were actually good at your job.....unless that job was being his murderer...and even that wouldn't save you if you hung around long enough.

They were both brutal and horrendous examples of inhumanity....but they had subtly different modes of operation.

 


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Stirlingsays Flag 20 Jul 17 2.46pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Without Hitler I don't see the war having happened at all. He enabled events that other men simply wouldn't have had the influence to enable.

It truly was an example of one man making all the difference....but in a truly terrible way.

Any sensible leader wouldn't have taken on France and the expeditionary force...which amounted to an equal force and have stopped after taking the Sudetenlands and Austria.

 


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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 20 Jul 17 2.53pm

Im amazed any of the usual suspects haven't come out with, ' if it was left to your sort we'd all be speaking German' or suchlike yet.

Thinking about it, if losing a war meant you had to speak the victors language, why aren't the German's speaking English?

 

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Stirlingsays Flag 20 Jul 17 2.58pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by nickgusset

Im amazed any of the usual suspects haven't come out with, ' if it was left to your sort we'd all be speaking German' or suchlike yet.

Thinking about it, if losing a war meant you had to speak the victors language, why aren't the German's speaking English?


It depends upon your war aims and ours was to win the war...Hitler's was different and more expansive than that....Have you read his book?

I doubt it.....Too busy reading your countless blogs on 'I'm right.com'.

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Originally posted by jamiemartin721

In order for the Germans to invade the UK they needed to win the Battle of Britain - The German navy wasn't sufficient to protect an invasion force from the British Navy - In order to defeat the British Navy they needed to be able to eliminate their presence from the air. It had to destroy the air cover the UK could provide the Navy.

Apart from the German U-boat fleet, the German navy was insignificant by comparison to the British Fleet.

Of course they could have risked a 'surprise invasion' but given the numbers, the risk of being caught by the Navy and airforce is just too high.

As I understand it, Goring had an opportunity to finish of British air resistance but chose to start bombing London instead after an accidental bombing of London started a tit for tat.
If he'd stuck to bombing airfields and the war of attrition we would have run out of planes and pilots.

 

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Originally posted by nickgusset

Im amazed any of the usual suspects haven't come out with, ' if it was left to your sort we'd all be speaking German' or suchlike yet.

Thinking about it, if losing a war meant you had to speak the victors language, why aren't the German's speaking English?

Give it time comrade.

 

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hedgehog50 Flag Croydon 20 Jul 17 3.07pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

Im amazed any of the usual suspects haven't come out with, ' if it was left to your sort we'd all be speaking German' or suchlike yet.

Thinking about it, if losing a war meant you had to speak the victors language, why aren't the German's speaking English?

They have ways of making people talk ...

 


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Originally posted by nickgusset

Im amazed any of the usual suspects haven't come out with, ' if it was left to your sort we'd all be speaking German' or suchlike yet.

Thinking about it, if losing a war meant you had to speak the victors language, why aren't the German's speaking English?


They speak both.

 


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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 20 Jul 17 4.53pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

As I understand it, Goring had an opportunity to finish of British air resistance but chose to start bombing London instead after an accidental bombing of London started a tit for tat.
If he'd stuck to bombing airfields and the war of attrition we would have run out of planes and pilots.

Pretty much, although the German air force losses were also a factor, the provision of fighter support was decreasing and the decision to switch to the Blitz was partially influenced by resources and the experience of the Spanish civil war. This wasn't specifically limited to London though, the Germans were bombing most British cities that were in range.

Without fighter escorts targeting British airfields was increasingly dangerous (Especially given the use of Radar which was effective in allowing British Fighters to intercept German aircraft).

 


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