We can use common sense tho, it's rare enough for one person to randomly murder someone but to find 5 people capable of going out and killing someone just for the colour of their skin is near enough impossible. Why would a group of drug dealers decide to randomly go out and kill someone ?

Name me a multicultural/racial society that has ever existed that doesn't have 'racism' claims.

Most racism claims are subjectivity.....a display of power structures. No one who isn't white can get treated badly without it apparently being for racist reasons.

The only societies that don't have 'racism' claims are homogeneous ones.

Edited by Stirlingsays (23 Sep 2021 7.58pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

The details are obviously open to question, but surely the thing that is most questionably is why this case is still making headlines when dozens of people have been murdered on the streets since then and have not received anything like the same coverage.

It is clear that the media are only interested in White on Black murders, which are relatively rare, while Black on Black and Black on White crime is ignored. The latter are just a bit embarrassing for BLM and all the usual self serving crowd.

It amazes me that anyone still takes Lawrence's mother seriously when only a while ago she was accusing the Fire Brigade of being racist. She is just an embodiment of the lengths that politicians will go to look virtuous and woke.

And then we have Stephen Lawrence Day. Where to begin on that one?

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (23 Sep 2021 8.07pm)

What happened to her son was tragic but it doesn't change that, in my view, she's awful.

Also yep, what's happened around the Kriss Donald murder pretty much tells you everything you need to know about the priorities and interests of the institutions and media.

I think he had a bench named after him.......wrong skin colour.

Edited by Stirlingsays (23 Sep 2021 8.15pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Completely different scenarios, you get people killed in fights all the time but they're never premeditated, you just don't get a group of 5 people deciding to go out and randomly kill someone and out of everyone they could have killed, one happened to be stephen lawrence who was known to deal drugs and his mate who was living in and out of hostels.

I doubt he was dealing drugs, he was getting home to another bus stop with his pal, they were just low lifes attacking 2 innocent black kids, they didn"t need a reason, just wanted to show each other how hard they were- or not as we know!Stephen went to a good school, was going to be an architect and probably would have made it, just because the word on the street in a Mill/charlton infested Eltham tries to dirty his name doesn"t mean anything-thats to be expected.

Promising footballer aswell ?

Your first port of call is to relate tensions that come from multiculturalism to tensions from religions. At first glance this is a good comparison though obviously not exact.

You appear to miss the very obvious response to the inevitability of racism being homogeneous societies. The only reason that Catholics and Protestants stopped killing each other in the UK was because the Protestants won and the Catholics were kept in their place all the way uptil atheism took over as the dominant position in Europe....I'd say sometime post 60s.

That's the only way societies can truly be harmonious, when one culture is the mainstream.....unfiltered multiculturalism has been an utter failure.

You seem to be suggesting that the solution to multiculturalism is indoctrination of groups against tribal self interest?.....Is this your idea of how they should relate to each other? Like I said to you, there has never been a time or place in history where this has worked. I asked you to counter that and you ignored it....I think that is telling.

I put it that indoctrination into a 'CRT' like system can only lead to increasing polarisation and balkanization.....indeed, if you look at demographical maps that's the practical outcome of increasing multiculturalism....different birds not flocking together as Ali meant all those years ago....everyone likes flowery words without actually looking at the results on the ground.

Relating group preference to crime or disease is just unworkable.....should we do that with class? Because that's far more common and actually has far more inpact on how well someone does? Is inequality a disease as well? It all sounds as realistic as communism was.

No, what is natural to the human being isn't a disease or a crime. I put it to you that those with these ideas are far more harmful to society that ten million Alf Garnetts ever could be.

All these ideas do is worsen social cohesion, turn people into liars and demonise people for natural behaviour. These ideas encourage the very stuff they explicitly say they oppose.....indeed, they have created an industry to look for any infringements to their ideology. Indeed, they don't even impose their ideas evenly creating 'protected groups' and ignoring tribal self interest from them and hunting for it only in Europeans.

No one was asked or given a choice.

People in Japan are happy living their lives without radicals calling them racists because your ideas don't have power there. They get to live without an industry and activists looking to destroy their lives for natural behaviours. Those polls showed how little they know about what would be waiting for them.

But in Europe the working classes have been forced to live out the fantasies of elites and globalists...and any that object are demonised.

Edited by Stirlingsays (23 Sep 2021 10.12pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Nations that have managed to maintain a peaceful balance whilst being multicultural are not unknown. I think, however, that as I write this you will say that the two or more cultures are too similar, I will mention a couple anyway.

Switzerland, renowned for being peaceful, has at least four or five main cultural groups. The Swiss speak four different languages, (French, Swiss-German, Italian and Romansh), two main religious groups (Catholics and Swiss Reform). Perhaps you will say that the wealth in Switzerland enables it to support diversity but Switzerland was not always the rich country it is today and throughout most of the 18th and 19th centuries, it was prime to poverty and famine.

I will also argue that the UK has always been a multicultural society. Should you seek to suggest to a Scotsman, an Irishman or a Welshman that their culture is just the same as English culture you would of course get short shrift. Minorities in this country are justly proud of our culture, I am myself Welsh and very proud of that, however, I do not place my own culture above the culture of others.

I would agree that the secularisation of society has in general made us much more tolerant. The church was always what stood in the way of addressing many of the inequalities in society.

I have seen the statement, we were never asked or given a choice, before. This type of revisionist thinking is not true. When the Empire Windrush, arrived in 1948 the passengers were confined to the ship for a few days as there was disquiet in government and attempts were made to stop some of the passengers from landing. This was of course impossible because at that time their passports gave them the right of residence in the UK. In the twenty General Elections that have taken place since then, there have always been candidates wishing to restrict or completely stop emigration from the former colonies. In none of those elections did those candidates gain sufficient votes or seats to bring such policies into law.

I would agree that class is as insidious in the distortion of societies as any other factor. Particularly this is true in the UK where as soon as you speak it will likely be clear to what social class you belong to or aspire to belong to. This is almost unique to our culture and we suffer greatly from it. In France, if you come from Provance your accent will reflect that whether you are a Duke or a docker. That is not to say that one is likely to have a very different vocabulary to the other. Likewise in Japan the regional dialects that make many Japanese, people from Tohoku for instance, incomprehensible to other Japanese. Returning to class one of the factors that makes Jappan such a harmonious country is the relatively small gap between the wealthiest and the poorest and that despite there being elites as there are in all counties they are relatively permeable.

I notice that you have suggested a few times that Japan is a homogeneous nation without minorities. This is just not true. The Ainu people of Hokkaido have been in Japan for many thousands of years, long before the people that now form the majority of the Japanese population. They have always suffered from persecution and racism which continues today. Likewise, Burakumin are discriminated against despite being genetically identical to other Japanese.

Indeed. It was a very funny moment