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Originally posted by Spiderman
So it's b****ks then Yeh, of course it is. Or maybe it isn't...
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Originally posted by becky
I have just emailed my MP to ask him to check if she had a special dispensation from the Probation Service to break the usual curfew imposed on tag wearers of being at their residence between7 pm and 7 am, and if not what action will be taken against her second criminal act.....I won't hold my breath though You would be better off exercising your ire at the tory MP who abstained as he was 'piddled off'.
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Originally posted by Spiderman
But it still would not be accepted, certainly by some of the posters on here Acceptance is a tall order for sure, I am simply talking about a pathway out of this s***show. The vote was basically 50/50 so of course a lot of people are going to be unhappy one way or the other.
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
I can't believe the pathetic excuses Remainers are using for a second referendum. It's all been said. They just want to reverse Brexit. There is only one way forward without a deal and that is to leave without one. If all parties want to avoid that, including the EU then they must make concessions. The Remainer Prime Minister needs to go now. A snap survey of Conservative members has revealed that 7 out of 10 want Thesesa May to step down as party leader immediately.She can of course continue as PM before a new leader is elected.
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
F the EU. Not your usual well structured and reasoned offering here, Stirlingsays, but I get the sentiment. People do feel far more strongly about this than I ever imagined before the first referendum, that is for sure.
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
I can't believe the pathetic excuses Remainers are using for a second referendum. It's all been said. They just want to reverse Brexit. There is only one way forward without a deal and that is to leave without one. If all parties want to avoid that, including the EU then they must make concessions. The Remainer Prime Minister needs to go now. There is one unquestionable truth to justifying a second vote. It is a way out of this s***ty situation. Come the end of the day, it might be the only way, and if certainly might be the only way which gives you a chance at still having a brexit of sorts. Feel free to cry betrayal etc, but I stand by my assertion that the 2016 brexit is an undeliverable high level concept, not something which has a clear path to implementation.
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Originally posted by Willo
A snap survey of Conservative members has revealed that 7 out of 10 want Thesesa May to step down as party leader immediately.She can of course continue as PM before a new leader is elected. Wtf are the other 3 thinking??!!
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Originally posted by Maine Eagle
There is one unquestionable truth to justifying a second vote. It is a way out of this s***ty situation. Come the end of the day, it might be the only way, and if certainly might be the only way which gives you a chance at still having a brexit of sorts. Feel free to cry betrayal etc, but I stand by my assertion that the 2016 brexit is an undeliverable high level concept, not something which has a clear path to implementation. Nonsense. It is a sure way to an even s***tier situation. Time Remains and Business stopped acting like frightened sheep and accepted they must cut ties with Europe. It's the only way to get Europe to wake up. I know that a trading block has its advantages but it comes with a too heavier price.
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
Nonsense. It is a sure way to an even s***tier situation. Time Remains and Business stopped acting like frightened sheep and accepted they must cut ties with Europe. It's the only way to get Europe to wake up. I know that a trading block has its advantages but it comes with a too heavier price. Telling business and half the house of commons that they way out of this is for them to get behind a no deal brexit, which they guard against at any price, is not a way forward. The PM has sacked that off now finally, its dead in the water, it is not happening. Its just a way to a circular discussion. Its a bit like what has been happening in parliament for the last 6 months, if not 3 years. No situation could be s***tier than this, as no one knows what the hell is happening. If we are destined to leave the EU, then for the love of Christ we need to get it over with. If we are destined to stay now, due to a change in public opinion, then likewise.
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Originally posted by Maine Eagle
Telling business and half the house of commons that they way out of this is for them to get behind a no deal brexit, which they guard against at any price, is not a way forward. The PM has sacked that off now finally, its dead in the water, it is not happening. Its just a way to a circular discussion. Its a bit like what has been happening in parliament for the last 6 months, if not 3 years. No situation could be s***tier than this, as no one knows what the hell is happening. If we are destined to leave the EU, then for the love of Christ we need to get it over with. If we are destined to stay now, due to a change in public opinion, then likewise. Public opinion has been tested already and before everyone was deliberately put through all this nonsense.
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
Public opinion has been tested already and before everyone was deliberately put through all this nonsense. And thats why we are in this mess. A binary answer to a non binary highly complex question. I agree with a Brexit in all but name, its a nonsense. None of this changes the simple fact that we are running out of options to move out of the impasse.
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Originally posted by Maine Eagle
Never thought I would be watching the House of Lords on a live stream. It like parliament except the extra years have rendered the jeers and cat calls as quite toothless. I would have abolished its voting powers years ago. The wisdom of the old is welcomed but the votes of the unelected are not.
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Originally posted by Maine Eagle
And thats why we are in this mess. A binary answer to a non binary highly complex question. I agree with a Brexit in all but name, its a nonsense. None of this changes the simple fact that we are running out of options to move out of the impasse. And would you have expected the public to vote on these complex questions? Be serious. I'm certain that most half intelligent people knew what they wanted from Brexit. Sometimes you have to grit your teeth and walk through the door of uncertainty because it is better than the alternative. In this case, that is political turmoil at a level we haven't seen since Cromwell.
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
And would you have expected the public to vote on these complex questions? Be serious. I'm certain that most half intelligent people knew what they wanted from Brexit. Sometimes you have to grit your teeth and walk through the door of uncertainty because it is better than the alternative. In this case, that is political turmoil at a level we haven't seen since Cromwell.
That is ballsy when you are talking about peoples jobs and livelihoods. "Better than the alternative". Therein is an ironic point. The alternative to a no deal brexit could be staying in the EU. I know you truly believe a no deal crash out of the EU is better than staying in, I just happen to totally disagree with that, as do many. Seems the PM is on my side of this argument now also, as she has basically ruled out no deal.
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Originally posted by Maine Eagle
That is ballsy when you are talking about peoples jobs and livelihoods. "Better than the alternative". Therein is an ironic point. The alternative to a no deal brexit could be staying in the EU. I know you truly believe a no deal crash out of the EU is better than staying in, I just happen to totally disagree with that, as do many. Seems the PM is on my side of this argument now also, as she has basically ruled out no deal. Anything other than a proper Brexit will guarantee that this issue will rumble on for decades. People will only see the true cost of remaining when it is too late. We will be worker drones with no rights to control our destiny and a world media telling us how to think as the planet crumbles around us.
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Originally posted by Maine Eagle
That is ballsy when you are talking about peoples jobs and livelihoods. "Better than the alternative". Therein is an ironic point. The alternative to a no deal brexit could be staying in the EU. I know you truly believe a no deal crash out of the EU is better than staying in, I just happen to totally disagree with that, as do many. Seems the PM is on my side of this argument now also, as she has basically ruled out no deal. She never wanted this despite what she intimated, just another lying pro-remain MP at heart, apparently advised by her non-elected husband Philip. Google him it is quite enlightening
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Perhaps we should have a referendum on this
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Originally posted by Spiderman
Perhaps we should have a referendum on this Best out of 9!
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