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I don't want to pay for her funeral.


A lot of people don't want to pay for your pension.

Its not what she'd have wanted surely. If Thatcher was about one thing it was cutting the costs of state and public waste.

Surely its an insult to have the state pay for the funeral of a woman who embodied the idea of individal provision and utilisation of the public sector.

 


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You're quoting the Mail and saying the Beeb is biased?

The BBC should of course be impartial.
In many of the television and radio news bulletins it appeared that Margret Thatcher was on trial and the case for the prosecution was gathering force.


To show Thatcher was anything other than a bitchc*** would be biased.


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.....awaits link from The Ciabatta Bread famine of Chislehurst circa 1987....

Was there? Pray tell me about it Quentin Crisp.


Nick - I can't really be bothered to read all of this but do you really live in the 'workers paradise' of Chislehurst?


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That is one of the funniest things I have ever read on this site.

Yep, I got a key worker grant towards my mortgage. Thanks Tony.
Is there a problem with a socialist living in a Tory area?


No not at all. I wouldn't mind one of these though...http://www.chislehurst.co.uk/property/#/requested_page=1&sort_order=ASC&sort_by=price&i=1


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No old money in the Hurst...


It's absolutely effing hilarious.

You, berating Thatcher and the Tory's, yet adopting Tory values and taking what you can in 'leg ups' in order to join the aspirational classes.

Enjoy your trip to Chiselhurst Strada.


Nick Gusset speaks up for the working class and extols the virtues of immigration, (old) Labour and yet he lives in an extremely middle class, white, Tory area.

Practise what you preach mate! Or is living in somewhere like Penge too working class and diverse for you?

Also Nick lives in an ex-council house, however he has admitted in the past that he feels bad about that. A legacy from Thatcher's 'right to buy' scheme. Would he be able to live in such a nice area otherwise??

 


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I don't want to pay for her funeral.


A lot of people don't want to pay for your pension.

Its not what she'd have wanted surely. If Thatcher was about one thing it was cutting the costs of state and public waste.

Surely its an insult to have the state pay for the funeral of a woman who embodied the idea of individal provision and utilisation of the public sector.


You are right. From what I have read, neither Thatcher or her two kids wanted this.

 


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If you didnt know who she was but saw the list of 'anti's' getting their two penneth in over her corpse then you would have a natural instinct to be on her side purely because of the odious collection lining up

I ask - Where does it come from, this vitriloic loathing? Anti-Thatcherites tell you that it’s because she closed down the old industries. (She didn’t, of course, she simply stopped obliging everyone else to support them.)

Yet it must surely be patently obvious by now that nothing would have kept the dockyards and coalmines and steel mills open. A similar process of de-industrialisation has unfolded in every other Western European country, and the only parties that still talk of “reviving our manufacturing base” are Respect, the Scottish Socialists and the BNP !!!!

RIP

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Its not so much the closing down, its the manner in which they were closed down, and the population, few of whom voted conservative, were just left to deal with the fact that employment was ripped out almost overnight, leaving hundreds chasing single jobs.



Uneconomic pits have routinely closed since the war, why should uneconomic mining be subsidised when no other industry was, and when from the 1960's we had the benefit ofNorth Sea oil and gas?


Simply untrue! Although some exploration of oil and gas fields went on from 60s, the Brent field in UK waters wasn't even discovered until 1971, and the first oil wasn't pumped (at a relatively modest level initially) from the Argyl field until 1975. Revenue from the taxation of oil commenced in a significant way from 1980 onwards.

The revenue from oil and the proceeds of privatisations could have been used b Hesletine to regenerate the country, but were instead used to fund income tax cuts for the higher paid instead.

Edited by Moose (09 Apr 2013 10.24pm)


West Sole came onstream in 1967.


The income to the exchequer from West Sole was insignificant, as was the amount of gas it produced. Oil and gas revenues from licensing and taxation only made any difference from 1980 onward.


The comment was that what I'd said was simply untrue, it was not untrue at all, and my point stands.


The key word in your post is "benefit". I would suggest that it is untrue to say that we had the "benefit" of north sea oil and gas.

There were in the 60's and 70's no actual material benefits of north sea oil and gas for the UK. Oil wasn't produced in any quantities as the technology for doing so at the depth of the north sea was in it's infancy, and many many lives were lost in securing what little production there was on line at that time.

Gas was being produced in greater quantity, but as almost all gas appliances had to be converted to be able to use natural gas at great cost, and relatively few people had gas central heating at that time, the benefits to consumers and the exchequer were, at best,at the margin.


I didn't say material benefit, I said benefit.


So it was an immaterial benefit? Doesn't sound very useful, does it?

 


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If you didnt know who she was but saw the list of 'anti's' getting their two penneth in over her corpse then you would have a natural instinct to be on her side purely because of the odious collection lining up

I ask - Where does it come from, this vitriloic loathing? Anti-Thatcherites tell you that it’s because she closed down the old industries. (She didn’t, of course, she simply stopped obliging everyone else to support them.)

Yet it must surely be patently obvious by now that nothing would have kept the dockyards and coalmines and steel mills open. A similar process of de-industrialisation has unfolded in every other Western European country, and the only parties that still talk of “reviving our manufacturing base” are Respect, the Scottish Socialists and the BNP !!!!

RIP

Willo


Its not so much the closing down, its the manner in which they were closed down, and the population, few of whom voted conservative, were just left to deal with the fact that employment was ripped out almost overnight, leaving hundreds chasing single jobs.



Uneconomic pits have routinely closed since the war, why should uneconomic mining be subsidised when no other industry was, and when from the 1960's we had the benefit ofNorth Sea oil and gas?


Simply untrue! Although some exploration of oil and gas fields went on from 60s, the Brent field in UK waters wasn't even discovered until 1971, and the first oil wasn't pumped (at a relatively modest level initially) from the Argyl field until 1975. Revenue from the taxation of oil commenced in a significant way from 1980 onwards.

The revenue from oil and the proceeds of privatisations could have been used b Hesletine to regenerate the country, but were instead used to fund income tax cuts for the higher paid instead.

Edited by Moose (09 Apr 2013 10.24pm)


West Sole came onstream in 1967.


The income to the exchequer from West Sole was insignificant, as was the amount of gas it produced. Oil and gas revenues from licensing and taxation only made any difference from 1980 onward.


The comment was that what I'd said was simply untrue, it was not untrue at all, and my point stands.


The key word in your post is "benefit". I would suggest that it is untrue to say that we had the "benefit" of north sea oil and gas.

There were in the 60's and 70's no actual material benefits of north sea oil and gas for the UK. Oil wasn't produced in any quantities as the technology for doing so at the depth of the north sea was in it's infancy, and many many lives were lost in securing what little production there was on line at that time.

Gas was being produced in greater quantity, but as almost all gas appliances had to be converted to be able to use natural gas at great cost, and relatively few people had gas central heating at that time, the benefits to consumers and the exchequer were, at best,at the margin.


I didn't say material benefit, I said benefit.


So it was an immaterial benefit? Doesn't sound very useful, does it?


Why are you spinning what I said? West Sole gas came onstream in 1967.

 

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You're quoting the Mail and saying the Beeb is biased?

The BBC should of course be impartial.
In many of the television and radio news bulletins it appeared that Margret Thatcher was on trial and the case for the prosecution was gathering force.


To show Thatcher was anything other than a bitchc*** would be biased.


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.....awaits link from The Ciabatta Bread famine of Chislehurst circa 1987....

Was there? Pray tell me about it Quentin Crisp.


Nick - I can't really be bothered to read all of this but do you really live in the 'workers paradise' of Chislehurst?


Indeed Matt...


That is one of the funniest things I have ever read on this site.

Yep, I got a key worker grant towards my mortgage. Thanks Tony.
Is there a problem with a socialist living in a Tory area?


No not at all. I wouldn't mind one of these though...http://www.chislehurst.co.uk/property/#/requested_page=1&sort_order=ASC&sort_by=price&i=1


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Nice gaffs. Way outta my league, my house cost about a tenth of the value of those...
No old money in the Hurst...


It's absolutely effing hilarious.

You, berating Thatcher and the Tory's, yet adopting Tory values and taking what you can in 'leg ups' in order to join the aspirational classes.

Enjoy your trip to Chiselhurst Strada.


Nick Gusset speaks up for the working class and extols the virtues of immigration, (old) Labour and yet he lives in an extremely middle class, white, Tory area.

Practise what you preach mate! Or is living in somewhere like Penge too working class and diverse for you?

Also Nick lives in an ex-council house, however he has admitted in the past that he feels bad about that. A legacy from Thatcher's 'right to buy' scheme. Would he be able to live in such a nice area otherwise??

I'd say about 25% of the residents on my street are what you'd term middle class. The rest are as working class as they come. Most of the street is still owned by housing associations.

Clearly you think that I should live in a commune, rather than a suburb.

I moved here because it was cheaper than renting in Brockley and because I wanted a nice place for my kids to grow up. In an ideal world I'd rather be living somewhere with an affordable rent, but alas I took what was the most viable option.
Once again, you are engaging in personal digs, rather than sticking to the point of the topic, which is how much of a bitch Thatcher was to the nation.


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If you didnt know who she was but saw the list of 'anti's' getting their two penneth in over her corpse then you would have a natural instinct to be on her side purely because of the odious collection lining up

I ask - Where does it come from, this vitriloic loathing? Anti-Thatcherites tell you that it’s because she closed down the old industries. (She didn’t, of course, she simply stopped obliging everyone else to support them.)

Yet it must surely be patently obvious by now that nothing would have kept the dockyards and coalmines and steel mills open. A similar process of de-industrialisation has unfolded in every other Western European country, and the only parties that still talk of “reviving our manufacturing base” are Respect, the Scottish Socialists and the BNP !!!!

RIP

Willo


Its not so much the closing down, its the manner in which they were closed down, and the population, few of whom voted conservative, were just left to deal with the fact that employment was ripped out almost overnight, leaving hundreds chasing single jobs.



Uneconomic pits have routinely closed since the war, why should uneconomic mining be subsidised when no other industry was, and when from the 1960's we had the benefit ofNorth Sea oil and gas?


Simply untrue! Although some exploration of oil and gas fields went on from 60s, the Brent field in UK waters wasn't even discovered until 1971, and the first oil wasn't pumped (at a relatively modest level initially) from the Argyl field until 1975. Revenue from the taxation of oil commenced in a significant way from 1980 onwards.

The revenue from oil and the proceeds of privatisations could have been used b Hesletine to regenerate the country, but were instead used to fund income tax cuts for the higher paid instead.

Edited by Moose (09 Apr 2013 10.24pm)


West Sole came onstream in 1967.


The income to the exchequer from West Sole was insignificant, as was the amount of gas it produced. Oil and gas revenues from licensing and taxation only made any difference from 1980 onward.


The comment was that what I'd said was simply untrue, it was not untrue at all, and my point stands.


The key word in your post is "benefit". I would suggest that it is untrue to say that we had the "benefit" of north sea oil and gas.

There were in the 60's and 70's no actual material benefits of north sea oil and gas for the UK. Oil wasn't produced in any quantities as the technology for doing so at the depth of the north sea was in it's infancy, and many many lives were lost in securing what little production there was on line at that time.

Gas was being produced in greater quantity, but as almost all gas appliances had to be converted to be able to use natural gas at great cost, and relatively few people had gas central heating at that time, the benefits to consumers and the exchequer were, at best,at the margin.


I didn't say material benefit, I said benefit.


So it was an immaterial benefit? Doesn't sound very useful, does it?


Why are you spinning what I said? West Sole gas came onstream in 1967.


And Dover Sole are available in my local fishmongers, so what?

I'm saying that north sea oil and gas provided little or no benefit to the UK until 1980. To say we had a "benefit" suggests that the exchequer received a positive inflow of revenue or that the people of the UK had a readily available source of cheap energy, neither of which are remotely true. That isn't spin, it's fact.

 


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If you didnt know who she was but saw the list of 'anti's' getting their two penneth in over her corpse then you would have a natural instinct to be on her side purely because of the odious collection lining up

I ask - Where does it come from, this vitriloic loathing? Anti-Thatcherites tell you that it’s because she closed down the old industries. (She didn’t, of course, she simply stopped obliging everyone else to support them.)

Yet it must surely be patently obvious by now that nothing would have kept the dockyards and coalmines and steel mills open. A similar process of de-industrialisation has unfolded in every other Western European country, and the only parties that still talk of “reviving our manufacturing base” are Respect, the Scottish Socialists and the BNP !!!!

RIP

Willo


Its not so much the closing down, its the manner in which they were closed down, and the population, few of whom voted conservative, were just left to deal with the fact that employment was ripped out almost overnight, leaving hundreds chasing single jobs.



Uneconomic pits have routinely closed since the war, why should uneconomic mining be subsidised when no other industry was, and when from the 1960's we had the benefit ofNorth Sea oil and gas?


Simply untrue! Although some exploration of oil and gas fields went on from 60s, the Brent field in UK waters wasn't even discovered until 1971, and the first oil wasn't pumped (at a relatively modest level initially) from the Argyl field until 1975. Revenue from the taxation of oil commenced in a significant way from 1980 onwards.

The revenue from oil and the proceeds of privatisations could have been used b Hesletine to regenerate the country, but were instead used to fund income tax cuts for the higher paid instead.

Edited by Moose (09 Apr 2013 10.24pm)


West Sole came onstream in 1967.


The income to the exchequer from West Sole was insignificant, as was the amount of gas it produced. Oil and gas revenues from licensing and taxation only made any difference from 1980 onward.


The comment was that what I'd said was simply untrue, it was not untrue at all, and my point stands.


The key word in your post is "benefit". I would suggest that it is untrue to say that we had the "benefit" of north sea oil and gas.

There were in the 60's and 70's no actual material benefits of north sea oil and gas for the UK. Oil wasn't produced in any quantities as the technology for doing so at the depth of the north sea was in it's infancy, and many many lives were lost in securing what little production there was on line at that time.

Gas was being produced in greater quantity, but as almost all gas appliances had to be converted to be able to use natural gas at great cost, and relatively few people had gas central heating at that time, the benefits to consumers and the exchequer were, at best,at the margin.


I didn't say material benefit, I said benefit.


So it was an immaterial benefit? Doesn't sound very useful, does it?


Why are you spinning what I said? West Sole gas came onstream in 1967.


What year did R Sole gas come online anyone know ??

 


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Glenda Jackson's ranting in the Commons - what a truly awful person!

 


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60 pages of HOL "banter" on Mrs T

The Iron Lady must be laughing her wotsits off

 


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If you didnt know who she was but saw the list of 'anti's' getting their two penneth in over her corpse then you would have a natural instinct to be on her side purely because of the odious collection lining up

I ask - Where does it come from, this vitriloic loathing? Anti-Thatcherites tell you that it’s because she closed down the old industries. (She didn’t, of course, she simply stopped obliging everyone else to support them.)

Yet it must surely be patently obvious by now that nothing would have kept the dockyards and coalmines and steel mills open. A similar process of de-industrialisation has unfolded in every other Western European country, and the only parties that still talk of “reviving our manufacturing base” are Respect, the Scottish Socialists and the BNP !!!!

RIP

Willo


Its not so much the closing down, its the manner in which they were closed down, and the population, few of whom voted conservative, were just left to deal with the fact that employment was ripped out almost overnight, leaving hundreds chasing single jobs.



Uneconomic pits have routinely closed since the war, why should uneconomic mining be subsidised when no other industry was, and when from the 1960's we had the benefit ofNorth Sea oil and gas?


Simply untrue! Although some exploration of oil and gas fields went on from 60s, the Brent field in UK waters wasn't even discovered until 1971, and the first oil wasn't pumped (at a relatively modest level initially) from the Argyl field until 1975. Revenue from the taxation of oil commenced in a significant way from 1980 onwards.

The revenue from oil and the proceeds of privatisations could have been used b Hesletine to regenerate the country, but were instead used to fund income tax cuts for the higher paid instead.

Edited by Moose (09 Apr 2013 10.24pm)


West Sole came onstream in 1967.


The income to the exchequer from West Sole was insignificant, as was the amount of gas it produced. Oil and gas revenues from licensing and taxation only made any difference from 1980 onward.


The comment was that what I'd said was simply untrue, it was not untrue at all, and my point stands.


The key word in your post is "benefit". I would suggest that it is untrue to say that we had the "benefit" of north sea oil and gas.

There were in the 60's and 70's no actual material benefits of north sea oil and gas for the UK. Oil wasn't produced in any quantities as the technology for doing so at the depth of the north sea was in it's infancy, and many many lives were lost in securing what little production there was on line at that time.

Gas was being produced in greater quantity, but as almost all gas appliances had to be converted to be able to use natural gas at great cost, and relatively few people had gas central heating at that time, the benefits to consumers and the exchequer were, at best,at the margin.


I didn't say material benefit, I said benefit.


So it was an immaterial benefit? Doesn't sound very useful, does it?


Why are you spinning what I said? West Sole gas came onstream in 1967.


And Dover Sole are available in my local fishmongers, so what?

I'm saying that north sea oil and gas provided little or no benefit to the UK until 1980. To say we had a "benefit" suggests that the exchequer received a positive inflow of revenue or that the people of the UK had a readily available source of cheap energy, neither of which are remotely true. That isn't spin, it's fact.

This is what I said

"Uneconomic pits have routinely closed since the war, why should uneconomic mining be subsidised when no other industry was, and when from the 1960's we had the benefit of North Sea oil and gas?"

Is there anything factually inaccurate in that?

 

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Public money to cover approx Ł10M of security for her funeral.
In these times of austerity, the tories can spunk money away with the best of them.

and her son is "SIR Mark Thatcher". How the fck did that knighthood happen. ?
A man involved in arms deals and alleged organising of military coups,...now thought to be developing property in Spain. Dodgy fcker

 


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