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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 17 Jun 14 11.45am
Quote matt_himself at 17 Jun 2014 11.35am Quote nickgusset at 17 Jun 2014 9.10am Quote matt_himself at 17 Jun 2014 5.41am Quote nickgusset at 16 Jun 2014 11.11pm Quote matt_himself at 16 Jun 2014 10.53pm Quote nickgusset at 16 Jun 2014 10.15pm Quote matt_himself at 16 Jun 2014 10.13pm Quote nickgusset at 16 Jun 2014 9.44pm Quote Stirlingsays at 16 Jun 2014 9.42pm Quote nickgusset at 16 Jun 2014 9.32pm The muslims I have met, and working in london schools I meet quite a few, are all intolerant of muslim extremism and ashamed of what happens in the name of Allah and the prophet Mohammed (peace be upon him. These are yer ordinary run of the mill muslims (therefore mainstream in my book) that vastly outnumber the fanatics and extremists. Sure, there are a lot of reformist Muslims in the UK.....But again, you're not recognising that mainstream Islamic belief does also carry a lot of support for apostasy and Sharia law as well. Enough to call it mainstream. Did you see many Islamic people complaining about the schools in Birmingham? I'm sure there are some but their are pretty quiet to me. Like I say Nick, read Irshad Manji.....She is a Muslim and she tells it like it is......Maybe you should listen. There's a lot more than meets the eye to the Trojan horse affair - enough to warrant its own thread. All sides are in some respect culpable. I shall check out the Irshad Manji, thanks for the heads up. I think you should worry a little less about muslims and more about what this current lot in power are doing to our way of life. Because, of course, David Cameron has walked into a tube train and let off a bomb. Your apologist dogma makes me sick. apologist dogma! Total bs. No, please, don't hide behind your 'everyone who agrees with the status quo is a 'cund' dogma. Please explain to me how David Cameron makes people blow up tube trains. Please explain how David Cameron makes middle class Asian kids go to Syria and kill people not aligned to their viewpoint. Please explain to me how supporting an outdated set of ideals which makes women walk four paces behind their husband and not be allowed to have an education is somehow better than what women in Britain are allowed to have. Please explain this and how David Cameron is responsible for all of it. He isn't is he? You think Cameron is responsible for all of it? Good to see you have reached d in the dictionary though. Pathetic Gusset. I thought it was funny. Almost as funny as you saying that I've said Cameron is responsible for terrorism. Where have I said that? You are either on a wind up or just not very clever. It's not the first time you've attributed things to me that I haven't said is it? Show everyone where I have said Cameron is responsible for terrorism. Edited by nickgusset (17 Jun 2014 9.22am) Now who is twisting words. You said that the government is more dangerous to our way of life than Muslim Extremism, followed by a typical apologist statement that you know many Muslims, all of whom abhor extremist violence. I think both statements are bollocks and are just part of your agenda as a contrarian. I think that ignoring the rise of Muslim extremism is very dangerous and apologists like yourself hold double standards. You profess to hate discrimination yet apologise for extremists who want to see women marginalised and gays stoned. Hope that clears it up for you Gusset. 1. Answer the question. You said I said Cameron is responsible for all of it. Where did I say that? 2. You imply that I am lying about knowing many Muslims who abhor extremism. Is this in the same way you accused me of lying about my father's stroke a while back? 3.Where have I apologised for extremists? I may have spoken for Muslims who abhor extremism but have never defended extremist Muslims. If I have, please show us. 4. I do think that successive governments have been detrimental to the way of life for a lot of people with their neoliberal agenda. I am not alone. Come and speak to other like minded people on Saturday at 1pm.Portland Place. Edited by nickgusset (17 Jun 2014 11.48am)
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The muslims I have met, and working in london schools I meet quite a few, are all intolerant of muslim extremism and ashamed of what happens in the name of Allah and the prophet Mohammed (peace be upon him.
These are yer ordinary run of the mill muslims (therefore mainstream in my book) that vastly outnumber the fanatics and extremists.

Sure, there are a lot of reformist Muslims in the UK.....But again, you're not recognising that mainstream Islamic belief does also carry a lot of support for apostasy and Sharia law as well. Enough to call it mainstream.

Did you see many Islamic people complaining about the schools in Birmingham? I'm sure there are some but their are pretty quiet to me.

Like I say Nick, read Irshad Manji.....She is a Muslim and she tells it like it is......Maybe you should listen.

There's a lot more than meets the eye to the Trojan horse affair - enough to warrant its own thread. All sides are in some respect culpable.

I shall check out the Irshad Manji, thanks for the heads up.

I think you should worry a little less about muslims and more about what this current lot in power are doing to our way of life.

Because, of course, David Cameron has walked into a tube train and let off a bomb.

Your apologist dogma makes me sick.

apologist dogma! Total bs.

No, please, don't hide behind your 'everyone who agrees with the status quo is a 'cund' dogma.

Please explain to me how David Cameron makes people blow up tube trains. Please explain how David Cameron makes middle class Asian kids go to Syria and kill people not aligned to their viewpoint. Please explain to me how supporting an outdated set of ideals which makes women walk four paces behind their husband and not be allowed to have an education is somehow better than what women in Britain are allowed to have.

Please explain this and how David Cameron is responsible for all of it.

He isn't is he? You think Cameron is responsible for all of it?
Good to see you have reached d in the dictionary though.

Pathetic Gusset.

I thought it was funny. Almost as funny as you saying that I've said Cameron is responsible for terrorism. Where have I said that? You are either on a wind up or just not very clever. It's not the first time you've attributed things to me that I haven't said is it?
Show everyone where I have said Cameron is responsible for terrorism.

Edited by nickgusset (17 Jun 2014 9.22am)

Now who is twisting words.

You said that the government is more dangerous to our way of life than Muslim Extremism, followed by a typical apologist statement that you know many Muslims, all of whom abhor extremist violence.

I think both statements are bollocks and are just part of your agenda as a contrarian.

I think that ignoring the rise of Muslim extremism is very dangerous and apologists like yourself hold double standards. You profess to hate discrimination yet apologise for extremists who want to see women marginalised and gays stoned.

Hope that clears it up for you Gusset.

1. Answer the question. You said I said Cameron is responsible for all of it. Where did I say that?
2. You imply that I am lying about knowing many Muslims who abhor extremism. Is this in the same way you accused me of lying about my father's stroke a while back?
3.Where have I apologised for extremists? I may have spoken for Muslims who abhor extremism but have never defended extremist Muslims. If I have, please show us.
4. I do think that successive governments have been detrimental to the way of life for a lot of people with their neoliberal agenda. I am not alone. Come and speak to other like minded people on Saturday at 1pm.Portland Place.

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Kermit8 Hevon 17 Jun 14 11.48am
I don't know how some of you lot would have coped in the 70's with IRA bombs going off in London every other month for years. Muslim extremism is a hundred times the danger to other muslims in their own country than it is to us lot in Blighty. pakistan, Nigeria, Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan - pity those poor tens of millions of souls wanting a peaceful family life not conflict and stop wetting yer pants about something that is not going to happen to you. Top 10 terrorists groups worldwide in 2012. 6 were Islamic fundamentalist types 4 were not (FARC,PKK, Indian Maoist, FLNC) Edited by Kermit8 (17 Jun 2014 11.56am) Big chest and massive boobs [Link]
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I don't know how some of you lot would have coped in the 70's with IRA bombs going off in London every other month for years.

Muslim extremism is a hundred times the danger to other muslims in their own country than it is to us lot in Blighty.

pakistan, Nigeria, Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan - pity those poor tens of millions of souls wanting a peaceful family life not conflict and stop wetting yer pants about something that is not going to happen to you.

Top 10 terrorists groups worldwide in 2012.

6 were Islamic fundamentalist types

4 were not (FARC,PKK, Indian Maoist, FLNC)

Edited by Kermit8 (17 Jun 2014 11.56am)

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Stirlingsays 17 Jun 14 11.59am
Quote Kermit8 at 17 Jun 2014 11.48am I don't know how some of you lot would have coped in the 70's with IRA bombs going off in London every other month for years. Muslim extremism is a hundred times the danger to other muslims in their own country than it is to us lot in Blighty. pakistan, Nigeria, Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan - pity those poor tens of millions of souls wanting a peaceful family life not conflict and stop wetting yer pants about something that is not going to happen to you. I was working right near Liverpool station when the Bishopsgate bomb went off....My brother did two tours in NI...So that reference is really quite annoying Kermit and in my case quite wrong. Your post is atypical of those on the left who push forward the approach that Islamic extremism here is overblown. It's a problem here....much more than for any other religion and us taxpayers have to pay through the nose for our security services to watch British Islamic nutters. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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I don't know how some of you lot would have coped in the 70's with IRA bombs going off in London every other month for years.

Muslim extremism is a hundred times the danger to other muslims in their own country than it is to us lot in Blighty.

I was working right near Liverpool station when the Bishopsgate bomb went off....My brother did two tours in NI...So that reference is really quite annoying Kermit and in my case quite wrong.

Your post is atypical of those on the left who push forward the approach that Islamic extremism here is overblown.

It's a problem here....much more than for any other religion and us taxpayers have to pay through the nose for our security services to watch British Islamic nutters.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 17 Jun 14 12.07pm
Quote Stirlingsays at 17 Jun 2014 11.59am Quote Kermit8 at 17 Jun 2014 11.48am I don't know how some of you lot would have coped in the 70's with IRA bombs going off in London every other month for years. Muslim extremism is a hundred times the danger to other muslims in their own country than it is to us lot in Blighty. pakistan, Nigeria, Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan - pity those poor tens of millions of souls wanting a peaceful family life not conflict and stop wetting yer pants about something that is not going to happen to you. I was working right near Liverpool station when the Bishopsgate bomb went off....My brother did two tours in NI...So that reference is really quite annoying Kermit and in my case quite wrong. Your post is atypical of those on the left who push forward the approach that Islamic extremism here is overblown. It's a problem here....much more than for any other religion and us taxpayers have to pay through the nose for our security services to watch British Islamic nutters. I don't think anyone is saying that there isn't a problem with muslim extremism. But I do think that reaction to it is overblown. Much in the same way that Orwell used 2 minutes hate towards Emmanuel Goldstein in 1984. Get people riled about Muslims (and plenty of people profess to hate all muslims-a look through the Britain First pages on facebook will back me up) and it will deflect attention from the austerity led ideology of party politics.
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I don't know how some of you lot would have coped in the 70's with IRA bombs going off in London every other month for years.

Muslim extremism is a hundred times the danger to other muslims in their own country than it is to us lot in Blighty.

I was working right near Liverpool station when the Bishopsgate bomb went off....My brother did two tours in NI...So that reference is really quite annoying Kermit and in my case quite wrong.

Your post is atypical of those on the left who push forward the approach that Islamic extremism here is overblown.

It's a problem here....much more than for any other religion and us taxpayers have to pay through the nose for our security services to watch British Islamic nutters.

I don't think anyone is saying that there isn't a problem with muslim extremism. But I do think that reaction to it is overblown. Much in the same way that Orwell used 2 minutes hate towards Emmanuel Goldstein in 1984.
Get people riled about Muslims (and plenty of people profess to hate all muslims-a look through the Britain First pages on facebook will back me up) and it will deflect attention from the austerity led ideology of party politics.

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NickinOX Sailing country. 17 Jun 14 12.24pm
Quote Kermit8 at 17 Jun 2014 11.48am I don't know how some of you lot would have coped in the 70's with IRA bombs going off in London every other month for years. Muslim extremism is a hundred times the danger to other muslims in their own country than it is to us lot in Blighty. pakistan, Nigeria, Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan - pity those poor tens of millions of souls wanting a peaceful family life not conflict and stop wetting yer pants about something that is not going to happen to you. Top 10 terrorists groups worldwide in 2012. 6 were Islamic fundamentalist types 4 were not (FARC,PKK, Indian Maoist, FLNC) Edited by Kermit8 (17 Jun 2014 11.56am) It might be more dangerous to other Muslims (I don't doubt that in the least). But should we be worried by how violent it is? Even some of the more moderate groups make the IRA look like the Teletubbies. 6 were Islamic fundamentalist groups. Doesn't this rather support some people's point? The other four were left wing (FLNC certainly has all the trappings of a left wing agenda). Just saying... If you come to a fork in the road, take it.
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Quote Kermit8 at 17 Jun 2014 11.48am

I don't know how some of you lot would have coped in the 70's with IRA bombs going off in London every other month for years.

Muslim extremism is a hundred times the danger to other muslims in their own country than it is to us lot in Blighty.

Top 10 terrorists groups worldwide in 2012.

6 were Islamic fundamentalist types

4 were not (FARC,PKK, Indian Maoist, FLNC)

Edited by Kermit8 (17 Jun 2014 11.56am)

It might be more dangerous to other Muslims (I don't doubt that in the least). But should we be worried by how violent it is? Even some of the more moderate groups make the IRA look like the Teletubbies.

6 were Islamic fundamentalist groups. Doesn't this rather support some people's point?

The other four were left wing (FLNC certainly has all the trappings of a left wing agenda).

Just saying...

If you come to a fork in the road, take it.

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aceedi 17 Jun 14 12.31pm
It is the usual playing down of Islamic extremism by the lib/left - only the USA, Israel and the West in general are thought by them to be evil. There is practically no level of atrocity that will move them to criticism of these appalling people. It is very similar to the left wing apologists of Stalin in the 1930s. Edited by aceedi (17 Jun 2014 12.32pm)
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It is the usual playing down of Islamic extremism by the lib/left - only the USA, Israel and the West in general are thought by them to be evil. There is practically no level of atrocity that will move them to criticism of these appalling people. It is very similar to the left wing apologists of Stalin in the 1930s.

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Kermit8 Hevon 17 Jun 14 12.32pm
Quote Stirlingsays at 17 Jun 2014 11.59am Quote Kermit8 at 17 Jun 2014 11.48am I don't know how some of you lot would have coped in the 70's with IRA bombs going off in London every other month for years. Muslim extremism is a hundred times the danger to other muslims in their own country than it is to us lot in Blighty. pakistan, Nigeria, Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan - pity those poor tens of millions of souls wanting a peaceful family life not conflict and stop wetting yer pants about something that is not going to happen to you. I was working right near Liverpool station when the Bishopsgate bomb went off....My brother did two tours in NI...So that reference is really quite annoying Kermit and in my case quite wrong. Your post is atypical of those on the left who push forward the approach that Islamic extremism here is overblown. It's a problem here....much more than for any other religion and us taxpayers have to pay through the nose for our security services to watch British Islamic nutters. I was thinking of people who were not around London in the mid 70's due to not even being born yet who shudder at the mere mention of the word 'muslim' today. How would they have coped knowing there really were IRA cells walking the same streets armed and dangerous for many years and carrying out attacks all over The Smoke when they can't even buy a mango today without eyeballing Mr Abdul Ali the grocery shop owner with suspicion? Edited by Kermit8 (17 Jun 2014 12.37pm) Big chest and massive boobs [Link]
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Quote Stirlingsays at 17 Jun 2014 11.59am

Quote Kermit8 at 17 Jun 2014 11.48am

I don't know how some of you lot would have coped in the 70's with IRA bombs going off in London every other month for years.

Muslim extremism is a hundred times the danger to other muslims in their own country than it is to us lot in Blighty.

I was working right near Liverpool station when the Bishopsgate bomb went off....My brother did two tours in NI...So that reference is really quite annoying Kermit and in my case quite wrong.

Your post is atypical of those on the left who push forward the approach that Islamic extremism here is overblown.

It's a problem here....much more than for any other religion and us taxpayers have to pay through the nose for our security services to watch British Islamic nutters.

I was thinking of people who were not around London in the mid 70's due to not even being born yet who shudder at the mere mention of the word 'muslim' today.

How would they have coped knowing there really were IRA cells walking the same streets armed and dangerous for many years and carrying out attacks all over The Smoke when they can't even buy a mango today without eyeballing Mr Abdul Ali the grocery shop owner with suspicion?

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Kermit8 Hevon 17 Jun 14 12.35pm
Quote NickinOX at 17 Jun 2014 12.24pm Quote Kermit8 at 17 Jun 2014 11.48am I don't know how some of you lot would have coped in the 70's with IRA bombs going off in London every other month for years. Muslim extremism is a hundred times the danger to other muslims in their own country than it is to us lot in Blighty. pakistan, Nigeria, Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan - pity those poor tens of millions of souls wanting a peaceful family life not conflict and stop wetting yer pants about something that is not going to happen to you. Top 10 terrorists groups worldwide in 2012. 6 were Islamic fundamentalist types 4 were not (FARC,PKK, Indian Maoist, FLNC) Edited by Kermit8 (17 Jun 2014 11.56am) It might be more dangerous to other Muslims (I don't doubt that in the least). But should we be worried by how violent it is? Even some of the more moderate groups make the IRA look like the Teletubbies. 6 were Islamic fundamentalist groups. Doesn't this rather support some people's point? The other four were left wing (FLNC certainly has all the trappings of a left wing agenda). Just saying... Welcome back Nick. Ha - I hadn't noticed the left leanings of the other four. Just be glad I didn't post the link which includes gun attacks in the US as terrorist crimes. Off the scale Big chest and massive boobs [Link]
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Hevon 17 Jun 14 12.35pm

Quote NickinOX at 17 Jun 2014 12.24pm

Quote Kermit8 at 17 Jun 2014 11.48am

I don't know how some of you lot would have coped in the 70's with IRA bombs going off in London every other month for years.

Muslim extremism is a hundred times the danger to other muslims in their own country than it is to us lot in Blighty.

Top 10 terrorists groups worldwide in 2012.

6 were Islamic fundamentalist types

4 were not (FARC,PKK, Indian Maoist, FLNC)

Edited by Kermit8 (17 Jun 2014 11.56am)

6 were Islamic fundamentalist groups. Doesn't this rather support some people's point?

The other four were left wing (FLNC certainly has all the trappings of a left wing agenda).

Just saying...

Welcome back Nick.

Ha - I hadn't noticed the left leanings of the other four.

Just be glad I didn't post the link which includes gun attacks in the US as terrorist crimes. Off the scale

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Quote aceedi at 17 Jun 2014 12.31pm It is the usual playing down of Islamic extremism by the lib/left - only the USA, Israel and the West in general are thought by them to be evil. There is practically no level of atrocity that will move them to criticism of these appalling people. It is very similar to the left wing apologists of Stalin in the 1930s. Edited by aceedi (17 Jun 2014 12.32pm) And welcome back to you too Rodney Big chest and massive boobs [Link]
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And welcome back to you too Rodney

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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 17 Jun 14 12.38pm
Quote aceedi at 17 Jun 2014 12.31pm It is the usual playing down of Islamic extremism by the lib/left - only the USA, Israel and the West in general are thought by them to be evil. Edited by aceedi (17 Jun 2014 12.32pm) Let's have some examples then. Edited by nickgusset (17 Jun 2014 12.41pm)
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It is the usual playing down of Islamic extremism by the lib/left - only the USA, Israel and the West in general are thought by them to be evil.

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Let's have some examples then.

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Quote aceedi at 17 Jun 2014 12.31pm It is the usual playing down of Islamic extremism by the lib/left - only the USA, Israel and the West in general are thought by them to be evil. There is practically no level of atrocity that will move them to criticism of these appalling people. It is very similar to the left wing apologists of Stalin in the 1930s. Edited by aceedi (17 Jun 2014 12.32pm) Is you for real?
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Is you for real?

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aceedi 17 Jun 14 12.46pm
Quote nickgusset at 17 Jun 2014 12.38pm Quote aceedi at 17 Jun 2014 12.31pm It is the usual playing down of Islamic extremism by the lib/left - only the USA, Israel and the West in general are thought by them to be evil. Edited by aceedi (17 Jun 2014 12.32pm) Let's have some examples then. Edited by nickgusset (17 Jun 2014 12.41pm) Your recent ludicrous posting that "it [criticism of Muslims] will deflect attention from the austerity led ideology of party politics." is one example.
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It is the usual playing down of Islamic extremism by the lib/left - only the USA, Israel and the West in general are thought by them to be evil.

Edited by aceedi (17 Jun 2014 12.32pm)

Let's have some examples then.

Edited by nickgusset (17 Jun 2014 12.41pm)

Your recent ludicrous posting that "it [criticism of Muslims] will deflect attention from the austerity led ideology of party politics." is one example.

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