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jason7 croydon 12 Nov 15 12.39pm
This post has been merged from a topic called 'Charlie Austin (rumour)' by james03 NO thank god,dont want champange charlie at my club.Problem player.
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NO thank god,dont want champange charlie at my club.Problem player.

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Sg Bilko Deurne Holland 13 Nov 15 7.14am
This post has been merged from a topic called 'Charlie Austin (rumour)' by james03 Quote djcpfc at 12 Nov 2015 12.41am Quote Sg Bilko at 11 Nov 2015 1.53pm Quote djcpfc at 11 Nov 2015 7.31am Quote Sg Bilko at 11 Nov 2015 7.15am Quote Mwncisee at 10 Nov 2015 6.53pm Quote Uphill at 10 Nov 2015 5.17pm Quote Sg Bilko at 10 Nov 2015 4.16pm Quote AlexTheGreat at 09 Nov 2015 10.44pm Is an out and out goalscorer at any level. Goal ratio is 0.63 To put that into perspective, Thierry Henry was 0.68 Sergio Aguero is 0.66 Diego Costa is 0.66 Ruud van Nistelrooy was 0.63 Would take him all day long, with our wingers he would score loads for us full stop. No thanks would be a waste of good money. I'm still trying to work that one out, as he would suffer the same fate as all other strikers we have, lack of a half decent Service. All strikers rely on a quality service into the box that they can feed off, that is just not happening Bolasie's is woeful, Zaha is beginning to provide a better ball into the box but it's still too infrequent to be called good, but it is getting there. Nail on the head. Gayle would score a hatful if he had the service - through balls along the ground. Which exactly says why we need that sort of targetman striker, a player who brings others into play and can do a bit of out muscling defenders to pick up on the scraps and lose balls that come of Zaha and Bolaise when the charge into the box. What scraps, the balls into the danger area by both wide men are poor(and that's complimentary) they are either over hit far too high, or don't either beat the first defender or are nowhere near the target man. For my money Murray is a better target man than Austin, Murray scored 30 goals in our promotion season with not very good service, Austin has never score 30 in a season, his best is 24 and that is with Burnley who played to his strengths, and that's not going to happen at Palace as we do not play that way. Not very good service. Hahahahahahahaha Murray scored about 10 penalties that year and should have scored more. I don't think there is any better kind of service is there? Another 10 were from inside the 6 yard box marginly better than a penalty you might say. If this doesn't constitute good service please can you point out a team that does provide good service to their front men. Bayern doesn't count. English clubs only. Let me see where do I start, Man City 26 goals of which 18 were from the strikes, Arsenal 22 goals of which 17 were from the strike force, Leicester 25 goals of which 22 were from the strikes, West Ham 23 goals of which 14 were from the strike force, Tottenham 20 goals of which 14 were from the strike force, Everton 20 goals of which 19 were from the strike force, Southampton 19 goals of which 15 were from the strike force, Crystal Palace 12 goals, of which 3(Bolasie 2 Zaha 1) were from the strike force, 9 of which have come from defensive players, do I need too say more other than strikes need service, our wide men do not provide that. To add even if we had Messi and Ronaldo in the middle they would score very little with the service from our wide players. Edited by Sg Bilko (11 Nov 2015 1.56pm) Thanks for that. How many more goals would these teams score if the service was better? Would Charlie Austin have scored more goals if the service to him was better too? Murray played as a loan front man that season but if you count Wilf, And Bolaise's goals as forwards plus Philips' I'm sure we were somewhere between 60-80% of goals scored by the 'strikes'. I don't think numbers alone tell the story. Good players make and score goals, and good players lay them on a plate, bad defending also creates goals. To say the service was bad in our promotion season isn't an opinion I agree with, I still find it funny. I bet Glenn would agree with me to. [Link] Shame there isn't another video that shows Yannick and Wilf kicking crosses straight out for goal kicks. Yes service could always be better, but the reason we weren't better that season is that we couldn't keep clean sheets. Wilf cut a lot of balls back from the byline that season because he was getting round fullbacks at will. Sometimes the movement from Murray wasn't great, sometimes he missed or it was saved, sometimes it was well defended, and sometimes the cross was poor. On the whole the service was more than decent Murray scored 31 goals. You need to take-off your rose tinted glasses, and look at the whole picture.
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Deurne Holland 13 Nov 15 7.14am

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Quote djcpfc at 12 Nov 2015 12.41am

Quote Sg Bilko at 11 Nov 2015 1.53pm

Quote djcpfc at 11 Nov 2015 7.31am

Quote Sg Bilko at 11 Nov 2015 7.15am

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Quote AlexTheGreat at 09 Nov 2015 10.44pm

Is an out and out goalscorer at any level. Goal ratio is 0.63
To put that into perspective,
Thierry Henry was 0.68
Sergio Aguero is 0.66
Diego Costa is 0.66
Ruud van Nistelrooy was 0.63

Would take him all day long, with our wingers he would score loads for us full stop.

No thanks would be a waste of good money.

I'm still trying to work that one out, as he would suffer the same fate as all other strikers we have, lack of a half decent Service.

All strikers rely on a quality service into the box that they can feed off, that is just not happening Bolasie's is woeful, Zaha is beginning to provide a better ball into the box but it's still too infrequent to be called good, but it is getting there.

Nail on the head. Gayle would score a hatful if he
had the service - through balls along the ground.

Which exactly says why we need that sort of targetman striker, a player who brings others into play and can do a bit of out muscling defenders to pick up on the scraps and lose balls that come of Zaha and Bolaise when the charge into the box.

What scraps, the balls into the danger area by both wide men are poor(and that's complimentary) they are either over hit far too high, or don't either beat the first defender or are nowhere near the target man.

For my money Murray is a better target man than Austin, Murray scored 30 goals in our promotion season with not very good service, Austin has never score 30 in a season, his best is 24 and that is with Burnley who played to his strengths, and that's not going to happen at Palace as we do not play that way.

Not very good service. Hahahahahahahaha Murray scored about 10 penalties that year and should have scored more. I don't think there is any better kind of service is there?

Another 10 were from inside the 6 yard box marginly better than a penalty you might say.

If this doesn't constitute good service please can you point out a team that does provide good service to their front men. Bayern doesn't count. English clubs only.

Let me see where do I start, Man City 26 goals of which 18 were from the strikes, Arsenal 22 goals of which 17 were from the strike force, Leicester 25 goals of which 22 were from the strikes, West Ham 23 goals of which 14 were from the strike force, Tottenham 20 goals of which 14 were from the strike force, Everton 20 goals of which 19 were from the strike force, Southampton 19 goals of which 15 were from the strike force, Crystal Palace 12 goals, of which 3(Bolasie 2 Zaha 1) were from the strike force, 9 of which have come from defensive players, do I need too say more other than strikes need service, our wide men do not provide that.

To add even if we had Messi and Ronaldo in the middle they would score very little with the service from our wide players.

Edited by Sg Bilko (11 Nov 2015 1.56pm)

Thanks for that. How many more goals would these teams score if the service was better? Would Charlie Austin have scored more goals if the service to him was better too?

Murray played as a loan front man that season but if you count Wilf, And Bolaise's goals as forwards plus Philips' I'm sure we were somewhere between 60-80% of goals scored by the 'strikes'. I don't think numbers alone tell the story. Good players make and score goals, and good players lay them on a plate, bad defending also creates goals. To say the service was bad in our promotion season isn't an opinion I agree with, I still find it funny. I bet Glenn would agree with me to.

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Shame there isn't another video that shows Yannick and Wilf kicking crosses straight out for goal kicks. Yes service could always be better, but the reason we weren't better that season is that we couldn't keep clean sheets. Wilf cut a lot of balls back from the byline that season because he was getting round fullbacks at will. Sometimes the movement from Murray wasn't great, sometimes he missed or it was saved, sometimes it was well defended, and sometimes the cross was poor. On the whole the service was more than decent Murray scored 31 goals.

You need to take-off your rose tinted glasses, and look at the whole picture.

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ItsCPFCforme 13 Nov 15 10.19am
This post has been merged from a topic called 'Charlie Austin (rumour)' by james03 Quote spartakev2 at 11 Nov 2015 9.40pm Can I just ask who provided the service fir Murray's 30 goals or was he such a great player he made them all himself. This is true. There's a video on YouTube showing all of Murray's goals that season and, apart from the penalties, it is astonishing how many were created by Wilf and Yannick. This is not to disparage Murray - he demonstrated ruthless finishing - but the idea he had 'poor service' is just bollocks. Yes, Wilf and Yannick can be shocking at crossing (although look at how good Zaha has been recently and Bolasie can be pretty damn good at this on the day) but they still create chances through dangerous dribbling into the box.
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Can I just ask who provided the service fir Murray's 30 goals or was he such a great player he made them all himself.

This is true. There's a video on YouTube showing all of Murray's goals that season and, apart from the penalties, it is astonishing how many were created by Wilf and Yannick. This is not to disparage Murray - he demonstrated ruthless finishing - but the idea he had 'poor service' is just bollocks. Yes, Wilf and Yannick can be shocking at crossing (although look at how good Zaha has been recently and Bolasie can be pretty damn good at this on the day) but they still create chances through dangerous dribbling into the box.

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Y Ddraig Goch In The Crowd 15 Dec 15 10.11pm
This post has been merged from a topic called 'Charlie Austin (rumour)' by james03 If we are going to go for a striker I'd like it to be Austin. Personally think he'd be good value He may not be perfect but he has a good track record in British leagues. If we look abroad the risk increases exponentially. Edited by Y Ddraig Goch (16 Dec 2015 8.25am) Attachment: image.jpg (153.04Kb) the dignified don't even enter in the game
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If we are going to go for a striker I'd like it to be Austin. Personally think he'd be good value

He may not be perfect but he has a good track record in British leagues. If we look abroad the risk increases exponentially.

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the dignified don't even enter in the game

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HeathMan Purley 16 Dec 15 12.25am
This post has been merged from a topic called 'Charlie Austin (rumour)' by james03 Hello, I am either seeking guidance or trying to bore everyone. My view is that not having effective strikers for a little while can be beneficial - as there are empty boots to fill. This has been done well at Leicester (two goal scorers) and at Everton (four - two 21, two 22). I trust Alan Pardew, and look forward to seeing some of our prospects getting games in February (if they start matches in December and January, there is an indication that they or others are for sale). The other side of the coin is playing them - suggesting to the world that we do not need to buy, allowing us to snap up new assets as bargains. COYP
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Hello, I am either seeking guidance or trying to bore everyone. My view is that not having effective strikers for a little while can be beneficial - as there are empty boots to fill. This has been done well at Leicester (two goal scorers) and at Everton (four - two 21, two 22). I trust Alan Pardew, and look forward to seeing some of our prospects getting games in February (if they start matches in December and January, there is an indication that they or others are for sale). The other side of the coin is playing them - suggesting to the world that we do not need to buy, allowing us to snap up new assets as bargains.

COYP

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This post has been merged from a topic called 'Charlie Austin (rumour)' by james03 have we signed him yet? 75 pages and counting Edited by thegreatlardino (16 Dec 2015 6.46am) They're justified, and they're ancient And they drive an ice cream van
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have we signed him yet? 75 pages and counting

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Sg Bilko Deurne Holland 16 Dec 15 7.07am
This post has been merged from a topic called 'Charlie Austin (rumour)' by james03 Quote Y Ddraig Goch at 15 Dec 2015 10.11pm If we are going to go for a striker I'd like it to be Austin. Personally think he'd be good value He may not be perfect but he has a good track record in British leagues. If we look abroad the risk increases expedentially. The fortunate thing is we have owners who are not stupid enough to spend over £7m for a player with only 6 months left on his contract, when they can get him for nothing at the end of the season, as QPR are unlikely to be promoted this season, 3 wins in their last 10 games is simply not enough to gain the points needed.
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Quote Y Ddraig Goch at 15 Dec 2015 10.11pm

If we are going to go for a striker I'd like it to be Austin. Personally think he'd be good value

He may not be perfect but he has a good track record in British leagues. If we look abroad the risk increases expedentially.

The fortunate thing is we have owners who are not stupid enough to spend over £7m for a player with only 6 months left on his contract, when they can get him for nothing at the end of the season, as QPR are unlikely to be promoted this season, 3 wins in their last 10 games is simply not enough to gain the points needed.

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McCorry Bromley 16 Dec 15 7.09am
This post has been merged from a topic called 'Charlie Austin (rumour)' by james03 Yesterday after the game, Austin said his going nowhere.
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Yesterday after the game, Austin said his going nowhere.

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Y Ddraig Goch In The Crowd 16 Dec 15 8.24am
This post has been merged from a topic called 'Charlie Austin (rumour)' by james03 Quote Sg Bilko at 16 Dec 2015 7.07am Quote Y Ddraig Goch at 15 Dec 2015 10.11pm If we are going to go for a striker I'd like it to be Austin. Personally think he'd be good value He may not be perfect but he has a good track record in British leagues. If we look abroad the risk increases expedentially. The fortunate thing is we have owners who are not stupid enough to spend over £7m for a player with only 6 months left on his contract, when they can get him for nothing at the end of the season, as QPR are unlikely to be promoted this season, 3 wins in their last 10 games is simply not enough to gain the points needed. They can either a) Sign him up with a precontract agreement b)pay £7mill anyway In the summer I felt £15mill was too much for him. I still do however we are in a far different place to where I expected. Whilst we can't piss money away £7mill for him could more or less pay for itself in league position alone. e,g, Liverpool finished 6th last season and got £5 mill more than us. Also, at this level there is no such thing as a free transfer, you pay a premium somewhere along the line whether signing on fee or in salary Edited by Y Ddraig Goch (16 Dec 2015 8.26am) the dignified don't even enter in the game
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Quote Y Ddraig Goch at 15 Dec 2015 10.11pm

If we are going to go for a striker I'd like it to be Austin. Personally think he'd be good value

He may not be perfect but he has a good track record in British leagues. If we look abroad the risk increases expedentially.

They can either

a) Sign him up with a precontract agreement
b)pay £7mill anyway

In the summer I felt £15mill was too much for him. I still do however we are in a far different place to where I expected. Whilst we can't piss money away £7mill for him could more or less pay for itself in league position alone. e,g, Liverpool finished 6th last season and got £5 mill more than us.

Also, at this level there is no such thing as a free transfer, you pay a premium somewhere along the line whether signing on fee or in salary

Edited by Y Ddraig Goch (16 Dec 2015 8.26am)

the dignified don't even enter in the game

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BelfastEagle 16 Dec 15 9.35am
This post has been merged from a topic called 'Charlie Austin (rumour)' by james03 Quote McCorry at 16 Dec 2015 7.09am Yesterday after the game, Austin said his going nowhere. And the fact he has already turned us down ! Plus of course nobody will pay what QPR want now he as he is free in the summer. Its not ever going to happen...some people wishing won't change it.
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Yesterday after the game, Austin said his going nowhere.

And the fact he has already turned us down ! Plus of course nobody will pay what QPR want now he as he is free in the summer.

Its not ever going to happen...some people wishing won't change it.

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Plane Bromley 16 Dec 15 9.42am
This post has been merged from a topic called 'Charlie Austin (rumour)' by james03 Quote BelfastEagle at 16 Dec 2015 9.35am Quote McCorry at 16 Dec 2015 7.09am Yesterday after the game, Austin said his going nowhere. And the fact he has already turned us down ! Plus of course nobody will pay what QPR want now he as he is free in the summer. Its not ever going to happen...some people wishing won't change it. That's my wish.
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Quote McCorry at 16 Dec 2015 7.09am

Yesterday after the game, Austin said his going nowhere.

And the fact he has already turned us down ! Plus of course nobody will pay what QPR want now he as he is free in the summer.

Its not ever going to happen...some people wishing won't change it.

That's my wish.

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DubaiCPFC 16 Dec 15 11.14am
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2 goals against the seaweed last night, so he's already halfway to becoming a Palace legend. Lets sign him up!

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