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Tom-the-eagle Croydon 26 Jul 15 9.14pm
My goodness! I made a few posts on here this morning offering my take on things and have just returned to see if anything had been added and it appears war has broken out amongst us! "It feels much better than it ever did, much more sensitive." John Wayne Bobbit
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Tom-the-eagle

Croydon 26 Jul 15 9.14pm

My goodness! I made a few posts on here this morning offering my take on things and have just returned to see if anything had been added and it appears war has broken out amongst us!

"It feels much better than it ever did, much more sensitive." John Wayne Bobbit

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Stirlingsays 26 Jul 15 9.14pm
Quote Kermit8 at 26 Jul 2015 8.08pm You do realise The Tories/The Right - by 2020 - will have been in power for 28 of the last 41 years. That's 70% time wise. Don't let them off the hook with your grievances. They have had so much more time to cure this country's ills. Mmmmm....But Labour had the boom years in the ninties....The Tories spent ages picking up after them in the late seventies and now again after Blair/Brown. Though I'll admit the Tories would have equally sleep walked into the crises ........though they wouldn't have spent everything with no reserve. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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Quote Kermit8 at 26 Jul 2015 8.08pm

You do realise The Tories/The Right - by 2020 - will have been in power for 28 of the last 41 years. That's 70% time wise. Don't let them off the hook with your grievances. They have had so much more time to cure this country's ills.

Mmmmm....But Labour had the boom years in the ninties....The Tories spent ages picking up after them in the late seventies and now again after Blair/Brown.

Though I'll admit the Tories would have equally sleep walked into the crises ........though they wouldn't have spent everything with no reserve.

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fed up eagle Between Horley, Surrey and Preston... 26 Jul 15 9.22pm
Quote -TUX- at 26 Jul 2015 9.05pm Quote fed up eagle at 26 Jul 2015 8.48pm Quote -TUX- at 26 Jul 2015 8.27pm Quote fed up eagle at 26 Jul 2015 8.25pm Quote -TUX- at 26 Jul 2015 8.22pm Quote fed up eagle at 26 Jul 2015 8.19pm Quote -TUX- at 26 Jul 2015 8.13pm Quote fed up eagle at 26 Jul 2015 7.58pm Quote Stirlingsays at 26 Jul 2015 7.33pm Quote -TUX- at 26 Jul 2015 7.25pm I can't decide whether your post is just incredibly naive or that you're just looking to set world records for delusion. Get a new username, 'Backtracking Prick' would be a start. Every post shows this N nite presh. That's a step too far. Stirling, I wouldn't argue with TUX. That poster is quite obviously a silly little girl who has to resort to name calling when she's lost the argument. I'll say it again, I didn't start the name calling. You'd know that if you looked at the thread. Not too surprised that you never spotted it tbh. There there, maybe some warm milk and your favourite toy will make you feel better Maybe reading what was posted would help you? So if someone calls you naive you think it's ok to call them a prk? Whatever you say son. And the rest that you've chosen to omit......son. Well I looked through it and it seems to me that you started it so NAH NAH NAHNAHNAH!! LIAR LIAR PANTS ON FIRE!!! Two blinkered pricks in one night. What's the odds?** Personal abuse=lost argument
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I can't decide whether your post is just incredibly naive or that you're just looking to set world records for delusion.

Get a new username, 'Backtracking Prick' would be a start.
Every post shows this

N nite presh.

That's a step too far.

Stirling, I wouldn't argue with TUX. That poster is quite obviously a silly little girl who has to resort to name calling when she's lost the argument.

I'll say it again, I didn't start the name calling. You'd know that if you looked at the thread. Not too surprised that you never spotted it tbh.

There there, maybe some warm milk and your favourite toy will make you feel better

Maybe reading what was posted would help you?

So if someone calls you naive you think it's ok to call them a pr**k? Whatever you say son.

And the rest that you've chosen to omit......son.

Well I looked through it and it seems to me that you started it so NAH NAH NAHNAHNAH!! LIAR LIAR PANTS ON FIRE!!!

Two blinkered pricks in one night. What's the odds?

Personal abuse=lost argument

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fed up eagle Between Horley, Surrey and Preston... 26 Jul 15 9.24pm
Quote legaleagle at 26 Jul 2015 8.56pm Quote fed up eagle at 26 Jul 2015 8.42pm Quote leggedstruggle at 26 Jul 2015 8.33pm Quote Kermit8 at 26 Jul 2015 8.08pm Quote fed up eagle at 26 Jul 2015 7.56pm Quote johnfirewall at 26 Jul 2015 7.38pm Quote Kermit8 at 26 Jul 2015 5.33pm So you think benefit gorging, work shy, fat, loud, aggressive and ignorant chavs and slobs a la Jeremy Kyle should be put first before some nice, decent, hard-working, family minded and bright people who may happen to have come to the UK from a different country by way of really nasty situations back home which have occurred through no fault of theirs? It's only the left defending that but thanks for proving the point they are a drain just as migrants can be. It's quite funny that Kermit slags off the Jeremy Kyle trash. Obviously being of a left wing persuasion he's just slagged off Labour's very own client base. The benefit claiming bottom feeders who Labour paid for staying at home in exchange for their votes. You do realise The Tories/The Right - by 2020 - will have been in power for 28 of the last 41 years. That's 70% time wise. Don't let them off the hook with your grievances. They have had so much more time to cure this country's ills. People with your views were in power in the USSR for 75 years - how come they didn't build utopia in all that time? Very true, communism and socialism are very similar. As are,using your logic, right wingers and totalitarian fascists Really? You don't say!
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So you think benefit gorging, work shy, fat, loud, aggressive and ignorant chavs and slobs a la Jeremy Kyle should be put first before some nice, decent, hard-working, family minded and bright people who may happen to have come to the UK from a different country by way of really nasty situations back home which have occurred through no fault of theirs?

It's only the left defending that but thanks for proving the point they are a drain just as migrants can be.

It's quite funny that Kermit slags off the Jeremy Kyle trash. Obviously being of a left wing persuasion he's just slagged off Labour's very own client base. The benefit claiming bottom feeders who Labour paid for staying at home in exchange for their votes.

People with your views were in power in the USSR for 75 years - how come they didn't build utopia in all that time?

Very true, communism and socialism are very similar.

As are,using your logic, right wingers and totalitarian fascists

Really? You don't say!

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shaun57 chislehurst 26 Jul 15 9.24pm
Instead they have sold everything.....with not a lot left.
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chislehurst 26 Jul 15 9.24pm

Instead they have sold everything.....with not a lot left.

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Stirlingsays 26 Jul 15 9.27pm
Quote shaun57 at 26 Jul 2015 9.24pm Instead they have sold everything.....with not a lot left. I must admit a Corbyn PM inspired renationalisation would....at the very least be interesting politically. Things have got so samey in politics. Edited by Stirlingsays (26 Jul 2015 9.28pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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26 Jul 15 9.27pm

Quote shaun57 at 26 Jul 2015 9.24pm

Instead they have sold everything.....with not a lot left.

I must admit a Corbyn PM inspired renationalisation would....at the very least be interesting politically.

Things have got so samey in politics.

Edited by Stirlingsays (26 Jul 2015 9.28pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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fed up eagle Between Horley, Surrey and Preston... 26 Jul 15 9.32pm
Quote Stirlingsays at 26 Jul 2015 9.27pm Quote shaun57 at 26 Jul 2015 9.24pm Instead they have sold everything.....with not a lot left. I must admit a Corbyn PM inspired renationalisation would....at the very least be interesting politically. Things have got so samey in politics. Edited by Stirlingsays (26 Jul 2015 9.28pm) Very interesting indeed.
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fed up eagle

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Quote Stirlingsays at 26 Jul 2015 9.27pm

Quote shaun57 at 26 Jul 2015 9.24pm

Instead they have sold everything.....with not a lot left.

I must admit a Corbyn PM inspired renationalisation would....at the very least be interesting politically.

Things have got so samey in politics.

Edited by Stirlingsays (26 Jul 2015 9.28pm)

Very interesting indeed.

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Stirlingsays 26 Jul 15 9.41pm
Quote fed up eagle at 26 Jul 2015 9.32pm Quote Stirlingsays at 26 Jul 2015 9.27pm Quote shaun57 at 26 Jul 2015 9.24pm Instead they have sold everything.....with not a lot left. I must admit a Corbyn PM inspired renationalisation would....at the very least be interesting politically. Things have got so samey in politics. Edited by Stirlingsays (26 Jul 2015 9.28pm) Very interesting indeed. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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Quote fed up eagle at 26 Jul 2015 9.32pm

Quote Stirlingsays at 26 Jul 2015 9.27pm

Quote shaun57 at 26 Jul 2015 9.24pm

Instead they have sold everything.....with not a lot left.

I must admit a Corbyn PM inspired renationalisation would....at the very least be interesting politically.

Things have got so samey in politics.

Edited by Stirlingsays (26 Jul 2015 9.28pm)

Very interesting indeed.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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serial thriller The Promised Land 27 Jul 15 1.30am
Quote Hoof Hearted at 26 Jul 2015 11.03am All you lot that are suggesting we let these people in conveniently ignore the fact that there is a shortage of housing, schools, hospitals, and GP's already to cope with demand. We cannot build enough houses, schools or hospitals quickly enough even if we had the room. Our green belt land is needed for agriculture to feed those already here. Most of these migrants are not asylum seekers, they are economic tourists looking for a better life and should be returned home. Africa was better off when run by the Europeans - all of them clamoured for Independence and most have pretty much fcuked up their countries beyond belief economically and have turned them into war zones fighting amongst themselves for power. The "lucky ones" like Zimbabwe have a certain amount of stability but under control by an evil dictator like Mugabe. The others are in utter chaos, but it's all of their own doing. We owe these people nothing. Sorry for taking this thread off topic a bit, and I know I shouldn't really try and compete with the evidently doctoral-level historical knowledge on display here from Hoof, but this is a claim that has been made a few times on here and I find particularly worrying. Africa under European colonial rule was unimaginably terrible. For 300 years they were sent as slaves halfway across the world, and when we finally did them the service of recognising that they were, after all, human beings, we ruled them in some of the most oppressive, deadly and divisive ways possible. Yes, it was economically beneficial (for us) but then the same could be said of Fascism in Italy or Germany in the 30s: individual liberty is surely a higher priority than a successful economy? Africa now has some of the fastest growing economies in the world, but is evidently still embroiled in corruption, disease, famine and conflict which could last another hundred years. But they are no longer systemically oppressive; there is no longer an institutionalised racism within their governance which lead to mass killing, enslavement and tyranny, and that has to be regarded as progress. As for your last comment Hoof, we have funded despotic regimes which have tyrannised the area, produced bombs that have rained down on their villages and communities while continuing to turn a blind eye as oil and mining corporations pollute the environment. How can you possibly argue that we don't owe these people anything? Surprise me one time and show me you have a heart. If punk ever happened I'd be preaching the law, instead of listenin to Lydon lecture BBC4
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Quote Hoof Hearted at 26 Jul 2015 11.03am

All you lot that are suggesting we let these people in conveniently ignore the fact that there is a shortage of housing, schools, hospitals, and GP's already to cope with demand.

We cannot build enough houses, schools or hospitals quickly enough even if we had the room. Our green belt land is needed for agriculture to feed those already here.

Most of these migrants are not asylum seekers, they are economic tourists looking for a better life and should be returned home.

Africa was better off when run by the Europeans - all of them clamoured for Independence and most have pretty much fcuked up their countries beyond belief economically and have turned them into war zones fighting amongst themselves for power. The "lucky ones" like Zimbabwe have a certain amount of stability but under control by an evil dictator like Mugabe. The others are in utter chaos, but it's all of their own doing.

We owe these people nothing.

Sorry for taking this thread off topic a bit, and I know I shouldn't really try and compete with the evidently doctoral-level historical knowledge on display here from Hoof, but this is a claim that has been made a few times on here and I find particularly worrying.

Africa under European colonial rule was unimaginably terrible. For 300 years they were sent as slaves halfway across the world, and when we finally did them the service of recognising that they were, after all, human beings, we ruled them in some of the most oppressive, deadly and divisive ways possible. Yes, it was economically beneficial (for us) but then the same could be said of Fascism in Italy or Germany in the 30s: individual liberty is surely a higher priority than a successful economy?

Africa now has some of the fastest growing economies in the world, but is evidently still embroiled in corruption, disease, famine and conflict which could last another hundred years. But they are no longer systemically oppressive; there is no longer an institutionalised racism within their governance which lead to mass killing, enslavement and tyranny, and that has to be regarded as progress.

As for your last comment Hoof, we have funded despotic regimes which have tyrannised the area, produced bombs that have rained down on their villages and communities while continuing to turn a blind eye as oil and mining corporations pollute the environment. How can you possibly argue that we don't owe these people anything? Surprise me one time and show me you have a heart.

If punk ever happened I'd be preaching the law, instead of listenin to Lydon lecture BBC4

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Stirlingsays 27 Jul 15 2.02am
Quote serial thriller at 27 Jul 2015 1.30am As for your last comment Hoof, we have funded despotic regimes which have tyrannised the area, produced bombs that have rained down on their villages and communities while continuing to turn a blind eye as oil and mining corporations pollute the environment. How can you possibly argue that we don't owe these people anything? Surprise me one time and show me you have a heart. What's all this 'we' stuff......I wasn't aware that I, hoof or anyone else had done awful things to people. What you are talking about ended here nearly two hundred years ago. What you are talking about was carried by a vast minority compared to the actual population in Britain....Wealthy landowners. The vast majority of British people had absolutely nothing to do with the slave trade.....No slaves, no income from slaves. At what stage exactly shall we disassociate ourselves from the evils that men do? Shall Germans who weren't Nazis carry the guilt for acts they didn't take part in?.....Or should I feel guilt because I share the same skin colour as rich land owners based in Bristol from at least 180 years ago. This kind of fuzzy guilt is just completely unfair when applied to the general masses. Edited by Stirlingsays (27 Jul 2015 2.14am) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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Quote serial thriller at 27 Jul 2015 1.30am

What's all this 'we' stuff......I wasn't aware that I, hoof or anyone else had done awful things to people.

What you are talking about ended here nearly two hundred years ago.

What you are talking about was carried by a vast minority compared to the actual population in Britain....Wealthy landowners.

The vast majority of British people had absolutely nothing to do with the slave trade.....No slaves, no income from slaves.

At what stage exactly shall we disassociate ourselves from the evils that men do?

Shall Germans who weren't Nazis carry the guilt for acts they didn't take part in?.....Or should I feel guilt because I share the same skin colour as rich land owners based in Bristol from at least 180 years ago.

This kind of fuzzy guilt is just completely unfair when applied to the general masses.

Edited by Stirlingsays (27 Jul 2015 2.14am)

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Quote Stirlingsays at 27 Jul 2015 2.02am Quote serial thriller at 27 Jul 2015 1.30am As for your last comment Hoof, we have funded despotic regimes which have tyrannised the area, produced bombs that have rained down on their villages and communities while continuing to turn a blind eye as oil and mining corporations pollute the environment. How can you possibly argue that we don't owe these people anything? Surprise me one time and show me you have a heart. What's all this 'we' stuff......I wasn't aware that I, hoof or anyone else had done awful things to people. What you are talking about ended here nearly two hundred years ago. What you are talking about was carried by a vast minority compared to the actual population in Britain....Wealthy landowners. The vast majority of British people had absolutely nothing to do with the slave trade.....No slaves, no income from slaves. At what stage exactly shall we disassociate ourselves from the evils that men do? Shall Germans who weren't Nazis carry the guilt for acts they didn't take part in?.....Or should I feel guilt because I share the same skin colour as rich land owners based in Bristol from at least 180 years ago. This kind of fuzzy guilt is just completely unfair when applied to the general masses. Edited by Stirlingsays (27 Jul 2015 2.14am) Yes, let those who are guilty make reparations to those who are affected. Yes, I am an agent of Satan but my duties are largely ceremonial
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Quote Stirlingsays at 27 Jul 2015 2.02am

Quote serial thriller at 27 Jul 2015 1.30am

What's all this 'we' stuff......I wasn't aware that I, hoof or anyone else had done awful things to people.

What you are talking about ended here nearly two hundred years ago.

What you are talking about was carried by a vast minority compared to the actual population in Britain....Wealthy landowners.

The vast majority of British people had absolutely nothing to do with the slave trade.....No slaves, no income from slaves.

At what stage exactly shall we disassociate ourselves from the evils that men do?

This kind of fuzzy guilt is just completely unfair when applied to the general masses.

Edited by Stirlingsays (27 Jul 2015 2.14am)

Yes, let those who are guilty make reparations to those who are affected.

Yes, I am an agent of Satan but my duties are largely ceremonial

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jamiemartin721 Reading 27 Jul 15 9.09am
Quote leggedstruggle at 26 Jul 2015 8.33pm Quote Kermit8 at 26 Jul 2015 8.08pm Quote fed up eagle at 26 Jul 2015 7.56pm Quote johnfirewall at 26 Jul 2015 7.38pm Quote Kermit8 at 26 Jul 2015 5.33pm So you think benefit gorging, work shy, fat, loud, aggressive and ignorant chavs and slobs a la Jeremy Kyle should be put first before some nice, decent, hard-working, family minded and bright people who may happen to have come to the UK from a different country by way of really nasty situations back home which have occurred through no fault of theirs? It's only the left defending that but thanks for proving the point they are a drain just as migrants can be. It's quite funny that Kermit slags off the Jeremy Kyle trash. Obviously being of a left wing persuasion he's just slagged off Labour's very own client base. The benefit claiming bottom feeders who Labour paid for staying at home in exchange for their votes. You do realise The Tories/The Right - by 2020 - will have been in power for 28 of the last 41 years. That's 70% time wise. Don't let them off the hook with your grievances. They have had so much more time to cure this country's ills. People with your views were in power in the USSR for 75 years - how come they didn't build utopia in all that time? Same reason that capitalism hasn't in over 200 years. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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Quote leggedstruggle at 26 Jul 2015 8.33pm

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Quote fed up eagle at 26 Jul 2015 7.56pm

Quote johnfirewall at 26 Jul 2015 7.38pm

Quote Kermit8 at 26 Jul 2015 5.33pm

It's only the left defending that but thanks for proving the point they are a drain just as migrants can be.

People with your views were in power in the USSR for 75 years - how come they didn't build utopia in all that time?

Same reason that capitalism hasn't in over 200 years.

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
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