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 steeleye20 Online  Croydon 28 Jun 17 10.15pm |
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Just give them their raise. Simples. Why shouldn't everybody get a raise now and then. Not having their wage increases has done no good to the economy anyway. For MP's to turn them down you have to be kidding. Nobody has any time for them anymore.
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| CambridgeEagle Sydenham 28 Jun 17 10.27pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
And you think that everyone else thinks their pay is 'fair' do you? You Labour minions on here are becoming really tedious. I would argue that if any employer had imposed an arbitrary pay cap on its employees for the last 7 years for simply ideological reasons it would be unfair yes. You'd argue for inflicting the population with ebola for not other reason than labour were against it and the Tories were for it. If the government had backed the amendment I'd be applauding them and I hope you would too.
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| CambridgeEagle Sydenham 28 Jun 17 11.03pm |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
Just give them their raise. Simples. Why shouldn't everybody get a raise now and then. Not having their wage increases has done no good to the economy anyway. For MP's to turn them down you have to be kidding. Nobody has any time for them anymore. MPs have had increases from £65k in 2011 to £76k this year. No pay cap for them! Good on 'em. Plus they can still benefit from lucrative second jobs etc!
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 28 Jun 17 11.13pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
And you think that everyone else thinks their pay is 'fair' do you? You Labour minions on here are becoming really tedious. I'm assuming you've retired early and aren't doing too bad. Fair play and good luck to you. I sometimes wonder if you ever put yourself in the shoes of those that are struggling in society through no fault of their own and think about what day to day life is like for them.
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| Stirlingsays 28 Jun 17 11.21pm |
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This is a tricky area because you have inflation which is bad enough right now. If you raise public sector pay across the board then you also raise inflation and it's a spiral upwards. However we had MPs raising their own pay....even if they created a bulls*** 'independent' panel to report on it....Who decided who was on that panel? How are they protected from lobbying? Or indeed known to be independent? And why aren't other public bodies getting 'independent panels'. As you can probably guess I very suspicious of the 'independent' panel stuff and the rationalizations used to justify one sector getting a raise and not another. It would be far better if raises came with productivity increases but I don't think that this argument works for some sectors....for example I know it doesn't in education because I know that statistics and outcomes are manipulated in the first place as it is. I'm not arrogant enough to say I really know what the answer is on this one. I'm suspicious of those who say they do. Edited by Stirlingsays (28 Jun 2017 11.22pm)
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| Hrolf The Ganger 29 Jun 17 8.48am |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
I'm assuming you've retired early and aren't doing too bad. Fair play and good luck to you. I sometimes wonder if you ever put yourself in the shoes of those that are struggling in society through no fault of their own and think about what day to day life is like for them. Who is struggling exactly? What are those public sector workers earning right now?
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| Hrolf The Ganger 29 Jun 17 8.50am |
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Originally posted by CambridgeEagle
I would argue that if any employer had imposed an arbitrary pay cap on its employees for the last 7 years for simply ideological reasons it would be unfair yes. You'd argue for inflicting the population with ebola for not other reason than labour were against it and the Tories were for it. If the government had backed the amendment I'd be applauding them and I hope you would too. Ideological reasons? Economic reasons more likely.
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| DanH SW2 29 Jun 17 8.56am |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
Who is struggling exactly? What are those public sector workers earning right now? My other half is a primary school teacher. She commutes over an hour to school for a half 7 am start and usually gets home about half 7 in the evening. All for less than £30k a year. She has to put in a damn sight more hours than me and earns considerably less. It's only through being a relationship she can afford to do what she could do; being single would be impossible (the only reason she's still with me obvs). The fact that she's now been consigned to an annual 1% pay rise set against ever increasing inflation really is disgraceful. Teachers, doctors, nurses, policeman, fireman etc. do what they do for the love, not the money. It's a vocation and they genuinely want to help people and better others' lives. Something that is foreign to a lot of people on here.
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| Hrolf The Ganger 29 Jun 17 9.02am |
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Originally posted by DanH
My other half is a primary school teacher. She commutes over an hour to school for a half 7 am start and usually gets home about half 7 in the evening. All for less than £30k a year. She has to put in a damn sight more hours than me and earns considerably less. It's only through being a relationship she can afford to do what she could do; being single would be impossible (the only reason she's still with me obvs). The fact that she's now been consigned to an annual 1% pay rise set against ever increasing inflation really is disgraceful. Teachers, doctors, nurses, policeman, fireman etc. do what they do for the love, not the money. It's a vocation and they genuinely want to help people and better others' lives. Something that is foreign to a lot of people on here. In which case what they earn should be secondary to them.
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| CambridgeEagle Sydenham 29 Jun 17 9.03am |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
Ideological reasons? Economic reasons more likely. No. Austerity has been an ideological choice. It's very poor economics. It's damaging. One of many many many articles and studies on the matter.
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| Hrolf The Ganger 29 Jun 17 9.06am |
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Originally posted by CambridgeEagle
No. Austerity has been an ideological choice. It's very poor economics. It's damaging. One of many many many articles and studies on the matter. So you have told us 1000 times. It wouldn't be because you are a Labour activist by any chance?
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| DanH SW2 29 Jun 17 9.07am |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
In which case what they earn should be secondary to them. It is. But what they do is also essential to society. We literally couldn't function as a society without them. They are paid far less than what they are worth.
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