Repetition.

I suppose one daft statement deserves another.

"It's not the bullet that's got my name on it that concerns me; it's all them other ones flyin' around marked 'To Whom It May Concern.'"

Let's move on from the benefits argument then.

EU pays jobless migrants to come to Britain

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Pre-empting the obvious replies:

I've no idea how many Brits were employed abroad through the scheme but I doubt it would've made economic sense for any of them to have done so, and I wouldn't imagine it applies to holiday rep jobs in Greece.

It would appear our 'fair share' was exceeded somewhat in the same way that demand for residence here, legal or otherwise outstrips supply.

Edited by johnfirewall (04 Aug 2015 12.08pm)

I wouldn't knock the card system. It might be subjective to a degree but it keeps things civilized. At least the mods here seem to be objective. The BBS should take note.
There are no cliques of keyboard warriors here ruining it for everyone.

Back on subject.

I understand that the unrest in the middle east is a big factor in migration right now but that must not disguise the fact that the vast majority of people coming here are economic migrants looking for work.
To suggest that we need to sort out the ISIL problem is to presume that the West actually wants to in the bigger picture. It is hard to believe that intelligent men could not have foreseen the fall out from the interventions in Iraq and Libya. The Syrian situation has made things a whole lot worse.
In any case. one would have to wonder what more Western intervention would achieve in the region. Right now there is a power vacuum which will settle in time.ISIL's time is limited what ever happens.

I understand exactly how ludicrous your post and position is, that's why I was making the equally ridiculous point about certain players who have benefitted fom immigration.

Your nonsensical argument falls down when you begin to separate out those who "have come here because of work and they posses a certain skill" and the rest. How can you possibly judge people whilst you have your head so deeply ensconced in your Daily Mail?!

I work with many so called illegal immigrants here in South Africa and without fail they are all very well educated and articulate people, one is even a doctor. Sadly however, this country has an even worse attitude to immigrants than you do, and these attitudes are then picked up by the man in the street who on several occassions in the last few years has taken to sticking tyres around the necks of immigrants and setting fire to them. It's called xenophobia and it seems to be rearing its ugly head right here on the HOL.

Don't think for a minute that such things couldn't happen in the UK because they could. I recently met one of the local leaders of the xenophobic violence here, it turns out he's quite a nice guy at a superficial level (just as I'm sure you are). He has a decent job and a decent house, by township standards in SA he's doing well. He never though he was racist and had no real hatred of foriegners but somehow got caught up in the media fed frenzy and before he knew it he was organising house raids on immigrants and trashing their homes and beating them up. He's not proud of what he's done and he knows he's in a lot of trouble, but he also realises that he was totally wrong.

The Ethiopian shopkeeper in a nearby township hasn't taken anyone's job, rather he opened a shop where there wasn't one and now employs two locals thereby creating work. The many Zimbabweans I know here all fled because they genuinely feared for their lives. Some of the women have been repeatedly raped by Mugabe's regime so they would rather risk their lives crossing a relatively safe land border (no desperate boat trips here) than remain at home. They would also rather face the wrath of the xenophobic violence than return home. I have a few friends from the DRC who will tell you that if they were forced to return to their homes they would kill themselves because they are so scared. Another friend of mine came from Angola, his parents paid for him to be smuggled into SA during the conflict in Angola. His parents were killed during the conflict and he has no home to return to. This particular guy is fluent in seven languages but still can't work here legally, despite being well educated and a totally quality guy.

I for one would accept all of these people because not a single one of them would be a draw on local resources and benefits, rather, they all would (and do) contribute to the local economy.

I value people for they are not for what I'm told they are so I'll leave you and your well earned yellow card to continue in your rabid ranting. I for one am out of this discussion.

Cynic or realist? It's a fine line!

There was uproar recently when councils started relocating people to areas with more / cheaper housing. The objection was the lack of employment in the new area, which is a bit rich if you didn't have a job to start with.

Obviously there's an imbalance here and immigration isn't helping London. Geographically we are burdened as well.

Where realistically are you going to send people short of 'Manpool' becoming an actual thing and providing sufficient opportunities?

I have heard people are actually taken to London for 'processing' but I'd be happy to invest in their future up north.