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Pussay Patrol  13 Mar 19 8.42pm |
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Originally posted by dollardays
One could certainly ask what they are faffing about for considering Quote Conservative Jacob Rees-Mogg seeks confirmation that "a motion of this House cannot overrule statute law."
Speaker John Bercow confirms this is correct. He adds that if MPs want to ensure a motion's "ultimate success" further steps are required. So with the clock counting down, I'll assuming we'll have an eventful few days ahead. Stock up on the popcorn. Uncle Jacob has a vested interest in impasse, confusion and disagreement.
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deleted user  13 Mar 19 8.43pm |
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Originally posted by ChrisGC
As no deal is going off the table it'll boil down to this deal (remain) or remain. It's not legally binding though. In fact it's still the default unless an extension is agreed or article 50 is withdrawn. I understand they're going to feel out various options, so we'll see if there is a majority for any of those. If there isn't, then I don't see an extension being granted. They would have to agree on 'something' rather than disagree on everything and their track record on that is poor. When push comes to shove, I still think May might get her deal through. Tick tock, tick tock.
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pefwin  Where you have to have an English ... 13 Mar 19 8.59pm |
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Originally posted by dollardays
It's not legally binding though. In fact it's still the default unless an extension is agreed or article 50 is withdrawn. I understand they're going to feel out various options, so we'll see if there is a majority for any of those. If there isn't, then I don't see an extension being granted. They would have to agree on 'something' rather than disagree on everything and their track record on that is poor. When push comes to shove, I still think May might get her deal through. Tick tock, tick tock.
you could be right. it is slowly dawning on the ERG that it is May's deal or the status quo.
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 Mapletree Croydon 13 Mar 19 9.19pm |
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Let's get a little real after the hype of the UK doing so well recently The latest forecasts from the Office for Budget Responsibility cut its growth estimates for this year from the 1.6% forecast made in October’s Budget to 1.2 % — in line with a pessimistic Bank of England, and the worst for the UK economy since 2009’s 4.3% slump. For 2020, growth is predicted to be 1.4%, unchanged from October. The impact of Brexit uncertainty on business investment has been one of the culprits behind the growth downgrade. “Our research suggests that cumulatively the impact on GDP has been about 3% up to this year thanks to Brexit — and bear in mind that that is all before Brexit has happened,” Nomura’s chief economist George Buckley said. Business investment spending is also likely to fall for five quarters running for the first time since 2009.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 13 Mar 19 10.26pm |
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Originally posted by Dannyh.V2
Biggest load of Trotsky-ist Bullsh1t I have read on this subject in over 1400 pages of opinion. You arrogance amazes me, how can you just dismiss the will of the voting public like that, as if anyone who voted leaves is somehow an idiot ? And who are you to decide what is the best for this country ? Tell you something I'd rather trust the voting public than half the bent self serving wnak puffins in Parliament. Nothing at all "Trotsky-ist" in arguing for democratic principles. Nor am I dismissing the will of the voting public. I am arguing that that will is expressed at the ballot box when choosing our representatives. Nor have I argued that anyone is an idiot. I have only argued that the MPs are better able to make complicated decisions than the rest of us and that that is their job. Nor am I arguing what I believe to be best, only how to determine what is best and where the responsibility lies, both for the voting public and the representatives they choose. That you insult those representatives means that you also insult all the voters who choose them.
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| Mapletree Croydon 13 Mar 19 10.34pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
The house of parliament is politically incoherent. Votes to leave the EU, which is now statue law. Seems it wants to shut its eyes and cover its ears. Ah, statue law. That’s the one that just doesn’t move, right. Cast in stone.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 13 Mar 19 10.46pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
Yawn. It was promised that the referendum would be honoured. That is a matter of record. All else is bulls***. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (13 Mar 2019 6.56pm) Arguing for our democracy serves us all. You as well as me. Promises made in Parliament, or in manifestos, must always be subject to possible revision in the light of events. Expressing an aspiration is often the maximum possible and that it is recorded is neither here nor there. Nothing in politics should ever be regarded as set in stone.
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| deleted user 14 Mar 19 1.43am |
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Farage is said to be lobbying Italy and others to reject any government request to extend Article 50. Who knows how successful such an effort will be, but it does push home the point that every EU nation would need to agree to extending it. The clock is ticking down, so if May's third try to pushing her plan through is rejected and no plan is agreed by parliament, it may end up coming down to No Deal or Withdrawing Article 50. A zero preparation exit could be something of a shambles, but withdrawing article 50 would damage that little trust remains in government. That said there does seem to be something approaching a consensus that an extension is still likely, so f***ed if I know.
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| Stirlingsays 14 Mar 19 2.56am |
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Originally posted by Mapletree
Ah, statue law. That’s the one that just doesn’t move, right. Cast in stone.
Edited by Stirlingsays (14 Mar 2019 5.19am)
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| Midlands Eagle 14 Mar 19 6.00am |
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Originally posted by Pussay Patrol
Here we go again. You are worse than a jilted lover
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| dreamwaverider London 14 Mar 19 6.03am |
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They didn’t need to vote on No deal. The fact they are is proof they really want to remain.
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| Mapletree Croydon 14 Mar 19 7.11am |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Edited by Stirlingsays (14 Mar 2019 5.19am) I didn’t know statues have their own law. What is the statutory statue status?
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