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View steeleye20's Profile steeleye20 Flag Croydon 25 Apr 19 12.22pm Send a Private Message to steeleye20 Add steeleye20 as a friend

Great news the sovereignty issue is finally sorted.

It is going to China.

'Huawei the lads'!!!!!


 

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View EverybodyDannsNow's Profile EverybodyDannsNow Flag SE19 25 Apr 19 12.25pm Send a Private Message to EverybodyDannsNow Add EverybodyDannsNow as a friend

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

This from someone who thinks London is still a great place to live? That’s taking delusion to self hypnotic levels.
When you post something as laudable as Matov it’ll get the clap it so richly deserves.

Thanks for the entirely irrelevant ad homein on where I live - great stuff. Quality debate.

I couldn’t care less about a round of applause; merely highlighting the laughable levels of hypocrisy that some show.


 

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Pussay Patrol Flag 25 Apr 19 12.26pm

Originally posted by dannyboy1978

So lets break it down.
It is Donald trumps "princible" to stop huge migration from South America which is also the same route huge quantities of hard drugs travel causing misery to families. I like his principle

On principle America works by democracy, trump was democratically elected. Trump has a principle to stop illegal border activity.

I think it's a bad principle to stop a president trying to protect America.

I think his primary goal is to get elected and the so called principles are the tactics employed to win votes, create this scenario where the country is failing and under threat and he is the super hero who will save the day. Since you're an expert I was wondering regarding making America great again, why wasn't it great before and is it great again now?

 


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Pussay Patrol Flag 25 Apr 19 12.26pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

Great news the sovereignty issue is finally sorted.

It is going to China.

'Huawei the lads'!!!!!


We're taking back control

 


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Park Road Flag 25 Apr 19 12.32pm

Originally posted by Pussay Patrol

I think his primary goal is to get elected and the so called principles are the tactics employed to win votes, create this scenario where the country is failing and under threat and he is the super hero who will save the day. Since you're an expert I was wondering regarding making America great again, why wasn't it great before and is it great again now?

Is this a subjective or objective question?

 

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W12 25 Apr 19 12.33pm

Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

It’s hilarious the outrage from Brexiters when you dare to challenge their intelligence, but a post like the above deserves a round of applause - do you genuinely not see your own hypocrisy?

“The thrill of being anti” is something I would consider far more applicable to the right.

Anyone who believes their ‘side’ is superior, be it morally or intellectually, is frankly living in delusion.

As the left continues to skew further and further left and overtly socialist/Marxist/communist commentators dominate the mainstream the right will hold the moral high ground. Socialism is now the establishment default position and conservatism is now the counter culture.

 

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View dannyboy1978's Profile dannyboy1978 Flag 25 Apr 19 12.41pm Send a Private Message to dannyboy1978 Add dannyboy1978 as a friend

Originally posted by Pussay Patrol

I think his primary goal is to get elected and the so called principles are the tactics employed to win votes, create this scenario where the country is failing and under threat and he is the super hero who will save the day. Since you're an expert I was wondering regarding making America great again, why wasn't it great before and is it great again now?

"Tactics" he is trying to do what he has promised.
It's the people blocking him who don't have principles, just like remoaners.

 

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View Teddy Eagle's Profile Teddy Eagle Flag 25 Apr 19 12.42pm Send a Private Message to Teddy Eagle Add Teddy Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

Thanks for the entirely irrelevant ad homein on where I live - great stuff. Quality debate.

I couldn’t care less about a round of applause; merely highlighting the laughable levels of hypocrisy that some show.


Didn’t mention a round of applause. I said it’d get the clap.

 

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View Matov's Profile Matov Flag 25 Apr 19 12.43pm Send a Private Message to Matov Add Matov as a friend

Originally posted by W12

It's not about the left and the right, it's about class and it's about the disaster of globalism that's been pushed on the masses.


Whilst I have some sympathy for the notion that globalism is a 'disaster', I am having to come to a rather awkard truth, at least from how I see matters, that it is now a fact of life. A Genie that cannot be put back in the bottle.

For me the great political/moral and any and every other conept you want to envisage, is how it is managed in terms of maintaining the notion of the nation state which does offer, badly I concede, still the best organisational structure for the individual to still have a semblance of control over their own life.

I am as guilty as most in terms of this increasingly 20th century definition of left & right, with an unholy influence of dead Germans proving seemingly more malignent by the year but we all need to face up to the reality of the world as it is, not how we would like it to be.

Throw in the increasing influence, whether we like to admit it or not, of technology over almost every aspect of our lives and what some long dead Kraut, writing in long-hand by the light of a gas lamp, may or may not have thought becomes increasingly irrelevant. The mobile phone in almost all of our pockets, and often more than one, is the most obvious example of that. That single device gives all of us the ability to communicate with the vast majority of people on this planet from not only the comfort of our own homes but, even at its most expensive, for effectively peanuts. Those alone undermine almost all previous given political definites from the 20th century. We take them for granted but they are the means by which globalisation is now part of our everyday reality. There is no good or bad about that, merely just is.

But the notion of a bloc such as the EU, which is when all said and done nothing more than a protectionist collective looking to secure industrys that are no longer economically viable along with a terrible fear of what Germany may or may not do in future becomes more and more anachronistic by the year.

We live in a new age and yet we are governed by the politics of last century. That has yet to catch up and may well be the harbringer of it all collapsing around us.

 


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Park Road Flag 25 Apr 19 12.46pm

Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

It’s hilarious the outrage from Brexiters when you dare to challenge their intelligence, but a post like the above deserves a round of applause - do you genuinely not see your own hypocrisy?

The thrill of being anti” is something I would consider far more applicable to the right.

Anyone who believes their ‘side’ is superior, be it morally or intellectually, is frankly living in delusion.

I always thought in politics the left demonstrate against things(anti)- while the right demonstrates for things...

E.g. the right voted for Brexit whereas the left demonstrate against it...

Myself, I'm a remainer... living and working in Spain...
However, I believe in democracy and am embarrassed by my fellow remainers, who just can't handle defeat..
If there was another referendum, I would vote leave...just because of the way our wonderful gvt has handled it...

Once out of Europe, we could have another referendum to get back in...

Until then, put up or shut up...!!

 

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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Online Flag 25 Apr 19 12.48pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

Thanks for the entirely irrelevant ad homein on where I live - great stuff. Quality debate.

Ad hominem? Pinpoint criticism more like. If you viewed that as ad hominem then your own commentary is ad homeinem.....there is a difference between criticism and personal insult.

Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

I couldn’t care less about a round of applause; merely highlighting the laughable levels of hypocrisy that some show.


Hypocrisy? You ridiculed reaction to a post claiming hypocrisy and made a comment about 'superiority' with only your own opinion to back it up without actually highlighting anything from the post.


Edited by Stirlingsays (25 Apr 2019 12.52pm)

 


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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Online Flag 25 Apr 19 12.55pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by steeleye20

Great news the sovereignty issue is finally sorted.

It is going to China.

'Huawei the lads'!!!!!


I just don't trust the people making these decisions.

 


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