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7mins In the bush 07 Jul 16 9.28am
[Link] This really pisses me off.... I mean yea he had a gun, yea he had already threatened someone and yea he resisted arrest and when the police tried to arrest him he continued to struggle and knowing he was armed they shot him... But shouldn't they have waited until he got his gun out before shooting him?
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In the bush 07 Jul 16 9.28am

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This really pisses me off.... I mean yea he had a gun, yea he had already threatened someone and yea he resisted arrest and when the police tried to arrest him he continued to struggle and knowing he was armed they shot him... But shouldn't they have waited until he got his gun out before shooting him?

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Midlands Eagle 07 Jul 16 9.44am
Originally posted by 7mins shouldn't they have waited until he got his gun out before shooting him? If they had waited until he got his gun out there would have been a high risk of him actually using it. The moral is simple. If you don't want to risk being shot for carrying a gun don't carry one
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07 Jul 16 9.44am

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Originally posted by 7mins

shouldn't they have waited until he got his gun out before shooting him?

If they had waited until he got his gun out there would have been a high risk of him actually using it.

The moral is simple. If you don't want to risk being shot for carrying a gun don't carry one

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EverybodyDannsNow SE19 07 Jul 16 9.47am
Originally posted by Midlands Eagle If they had waited until he got his gun out there would have been a high risk of him actually using it. The moral is simple. If you don't want to risk being shot for carrying a gun don't carry one Have you seen the video? There was two professionally trained officers on top of him, there was no chance of him getting his gun out.
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Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

If they had waited until he got his gun out there would have been a high risk of him actually using it.

The moral is simple. If you don't want to risk being shot for carrying a gun don't carry one

Have you seen the video? There was two professionally trained officers on top of him, there was no chance of him getting his gun out.

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7mins In the bush 07 Jul 16 10.22am
What would you have done, you're fighting a armed man... Would you have hoped you could restrain him, or shouted a warning that you would use your gun if he carried on resisting?
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7mins

In the bush 07 Jul 16 10.22am

What would you have done, you're fighting a armed man... Would you have hoped you could restrain him, or shouted a warning that you would use your gun if he carried on resisting?

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jamiemartin721 Reading 07 Jul 16 10.25am
Originally posted by 7mins What would you have done, you're fighting a armed man... Would you have hoped you could restrain him, or shouted a warning that you would use your gun if he carried on resisting? I refer you to the post above. In any other 'free' country, that's murder. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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Reading 07 Jul 16 10.25am

Originally posted by 7mins

What would you have done, you're fighting a armed man... Would you have hoped you could restrain him, or shouted a warning that you would use your gun if he carried on resisting?

I refer you to the post above.

In any other 'free' country, that's murder.

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
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EverybodyDannsNow SE19 07 Jul 16 10.26am
Originally posted by 7mins What would you have done, you're fighting a armed man... Would you have hoped you could restrain him, or shouted a warning that you would use your gun if he carried on resisting? Again, have you seen the video? They had him restrained, there was no need to pull the trigger. In terms of what I would've done - I'm not trained to deal with exactly that type of situation - disarming and restraining should be pretty bread and butter for an officer, particularly in the US.
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EverybodyDannsNow

SE19 07 Jul 16 10.26am

Originally posted by 7mins

What would you have done, you're fighting a armed man... Would you have hoped you could restrain him, or shouted a warning that you would use your gun if he carried on resisting?

Again, have you seen the video? They had him restrained, there was no need to pull the trigger.

In terms of what I would've done - I'm not trained to deal with exactly that type of situation - disarming and restraining should be pretty bread and butter for an officer, particularly in the US.

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-TUX- Alphabettispaghetti 07 Jul 16 10.32am
Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow Have you seen the video? There was two fat blokes with only 7yrs experience between them(!!!!) on top of him, there was no chance of him getting his gun out. EFA. Time to move forward together.
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Alphabettispaghetti 07 Jul 16 10.32am

Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

Have you seen the video? There was two fat blokes with only 7yrs experience between them(!!!!) on top of him, there was no chance of him getting his gun out.

EFA.

Time to move forward together.

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npn Crowborough 07 Jul 16 10.36am
Given the backdrop of several unjustifiable shootings of unarmed people by overzealous US police officers, let me say some of those have been absolutely shocking, and nothing short of murder. However, in this case: Armed - check Resisting - check Dangerous - check (see items above) result = unlucky mate This is not in the same league as some of those other cases. If he had dropped the gun he wouldn't have been shot (probably, unless a victim of the overzealous policing mentioned before) If he'd not resisted arrest he wouldn't have been shot (with the above caveat) Given that he did neither, I'm afraid I'm backing the police on this one, with the limited knowledge of the case I have.
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Crowborough 07 Jul 16 10.36am

Given the backdrop of several unjustifiable shootings of unarmed people by overzealous US police officers, let me say some of those have been absolutely shocking, and nothing short of murder.

However, in this case:
Armed - check
Resisting - check
Dangerous - check (see items above)

result = unlucky mate

This is not in the same league as some of those other cases.
If he had dropped the gun he wouldn't have been shot (probably, unless a victim of the overzealous policing mentioned before)
If he'd not resisted arrest he wouldn't have been shot (with the above caveat)

Given that he did neither, I'm afraid I'm backing the police on this one, with the limited knowledge of the case I have.

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EaglesEaglesEagles 07 Jul 16 10.38am
America's a crazy place. You can walk around with a massive, loaded, assault rifle in some states! 2ND AMENDMENT M**********R!!!!!!! It's as if these amendments are holy and can't be changed. The irony. Guns are part of these people's lives. The only ones who really need them are the police and people who live out in the remote countryside with threats of bears. The police officers in this video were unbelievably stupid and reckless but I do not believe that they took pleasure in killing this man. In situations when you have an aggressive suspect and a society where weapons are sold legally to anyone, even criminals, the police must panic and not be in their right minds at points. They're on an equal footing in terms of arming themselves as the criminals they try to bust. It doesn't excuse what happened but it must be unnerving. I ain't got nuthin' funny to say. Sorry.
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America's a crazy place. You can walk around with a massive, loaded, assault rifle in some states!

2ND AMENDMENT M**********R!!!!!!!
It's as if these amendments are holy and can't be changed. The irony.

Guns are part of these people's lives. The only ones who really need them are the police and people who live out in the remote countryside with threats of bears.

The police officers in this video were unbelievably stupid and reckless but I do not believe that they took pleasure in killing this man. In situations when you have an aggressive suspect and a society where weapons are sold legally to anyone, even criminals, the police must panic and not be in their right minds at points.
They're on an equal footing in terms of arming themselves as the criminals they try to bust. It doesn't excuse what happened but it must be unnerving.

I ain't got nuthin' funny to say. Sorry.

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jamiemartin721 Reading 07 Jul 16 10.41am
I don't think there is any doubt that if a suspect is armed and dangerous, shooting is acceptable. However, if your restrained by two big police officers, and incapable of drawing a weapon, then you're clearly not dangerous, as two burly guys seem to have felt safe enough to physically tackle you to the ground and pin you. I'd imagine that they were happy to find the gun after shooting him and the report covers that as a significant factor in the actions. It doesn't explain why two police officers restrained him first, before another shot him. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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Reading 07 Jul 16 10.41am

I don't think there is any doubt that if a suspect is armed and dangerous, shooting is acceptable. However, if your restrained by two big police officers, and incapable of drawing a weapon, then you're clearly not dangerous, as two burly guys seem to have felt safe enough to physically tackle you to the ground and pin you.

I'd imagine that they were happy to find the gun after shooting him and the report covers that as a significant factor in the actions. It doesn't explain why two police officers restrained him first, before another shot him.

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
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-TUX- Alphabettispaghetti 07 Jul 16 10.44am
Originally posted by npn Given the backdrop of several unjustifiable shootings of unarmed people by overzealous US police officers, let me say some of those have been absolutely shocking, and nothing short of murder. However, in this case: Armed - check Resisting - check Dangerous - check (see items above) result = unlucky mate This is not in the same league as some of those other cases. If he had dropped the gun he wouldn't have been shot (probably, unless a victim of the overzealous policing mentioned before) If he'd not resisted arrest he wouldn't have been shot (with the above caveat) Given that he did neither, I'm afraid I'm backing the police on this one, with the limited knowledge of the case I have. This. Had it been a situation such as this i'd have some pity..... [Link] Edited by -TUX- (07 Jul 2016 10.55am) Time to move forward together.
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Alphabettispaghetti 07 Jul 16 10.44am

Originally posted by npn

Given the backdrop of several unjustifiable shootings of unarmed people by overzealous US police officers, let me say some of those have been absolutely shocking, and nothing short of murder.

However, in this case:
Armed - check
Resisting - check
Dangerous - check (see items above)

result = unlucky mate

Given that he did neither, I'm afraid I'm backing the police on this one, with the limited knowledge of the case I have.

This.

Had it been a situation such as this i'd have some pity.....
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Edited by -TUX- (07 Jul 2016 10.55am)

Time to move forward together.

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EverybodyDannsNow SE19 07 Jul 16 10.44am
Originally posted by npn Given the backdrop of several unjustifiable shootings of unarmed people by overzealous US police officers, let me say some of those have been absolutely shocking, and nothing short of murder. However, in this case: Armed - check Resisting - check Dangerous - check (see items above) result = unlucky mate This is not in the same league as some of those other cases. If he had dropped the gun he wouldn't have been shot (probably, unless a victim of the overzealous policing mentioned before) If he'd not resisted arrest he wouldn't have been shot (with the above caveat) Given that he did neither, I'm afraid I'm backing the police on this one, with the limited knowledge of the case I have. I get your sentiments, and agree it's not as shocking as some other cases, but it's still wrong - he was armed, but never drew for his weapon and was restrained to the point that he was incapable of doing so - once that is the case, how do you justify shooting him?
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EverybodyDannsNow

SE19 07 Jul 16 10.44am

Originally posted by npn

Given the backdrop of several unjustifiable shootings of unarmed people by overzealous US police officers, let me say some of those have been absolutely shocking, and nothing short of murder.

However, in this case:
Armed - check
Resisting - check
Dangerous - check (see items above)

result = unlucky mate

Given that he did neither, I'm afraid I'm backing the police on this one, with the limited knowledge of the case I have.

I get your sentiments, and agree it's not as shocking as some other cases, but it's still wrong - he was armed, but never drew for his weapon and was restrained to the point that he was incapable of doing so - once that is the case, how do you justify shooting him?

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