Its about putting risk into context and proportion. You're still more likely to be seriously harmed or killed by someone you know. That person is likely to be of the same race as you as well.

You can't really reduce it to a 'feeling people have' because that's a core part of the problem, the feeling that things are so dangerous, is massively disproportionate to the reality of the risks (same applies to crime). The odd thing about society, is we fear very low risks, much more than high occurrence risks to physical well being and life - Simply because they are higher profile (something rare occurring makes better news than something common).

You say you don't want religion having influence on how society forms, but you seem happy to have an equally irrational basis of social order, based on peoples emotions (which I'd argue is far more dangerous).

That doesn't mean we should ignore the risks, but we should respond proportionately to them.

We're liberals wrong on migration - I'd hazard that migration that has resulted in hospital staffing in the UK probably saved far more lives than crime and terrorism has claimed.

Unchecked and uncontrolled migration, is a negative for the UK, just like any system from which regulation is decoupled - notably EU Freedom of Movement - but the damage this has done to the UK isn't relevant to terrorism, but to social decay and exploitation.

In terms of asylum, I can't imagine that we could have a society that just simply rejects and deports people to whatever fate might await them, on the basis that there is some risk they might, at some point in the future, become a risk.

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
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That my dear apologist is tired insignificant bullsh1t. Unless of course you want to go back about 200 odd years or perhaps even further. Point is we learnt the hard way that you just can't go around murdering innocent people just because you believe in a different version of the cloud monkey than someone else does.

And it is a direct result of unbridled immigration forced upon us by Merkel and the rest of the idiots in the EU.

Look,I know not all Muslims are terrorists that is a stupid thing to think let alone act on. However so is the unbridled, unchecked mass immigration allowed by Merkel. You are always going to get rotten apples in a barrel, she is now paying the price for not checking the barrel.

In fact no she isn't paying the price, the families of those killed in Germany are paying the price for her idealistic, completely unworkable EU Liberal utopian vision.

She's a Kraut Version of Nicola Sturgeon claims to be a nationalist but is systematic in her countries demise.

Edited by dannyh (25 Jul 2016 4.01pm)

"It's not the bullet that's got my name on it that concerns me; it's all them other ones flyin' around marked 'To Whom It May Concern.'"

As far as the UK goes, I think we're a much bigger threat to the 'UK Way of Life' than anyone who thinks blowing themselves up with a load of civilians. The biggest risk I would guess remains our own reaction, such as the suspension of civil liberties seen in the Patriot Act post 9/11.

In truth, only we can really damage the UK. IS really only poses a threat to life, and then not that many. Which isn't to say it should be ignored entirely, we do have to 'fight against evil', but that the most important thing is that in doing so 'we do not become something worse than we started'.

Really, I think most of the Islamist damage has come from people exploiting the threat for political gain leveraged on peoples fears.

We've seen under the Blair administrations 'anti-terror' protocols a worrying tendency to place democracy, protest, representation and civil rights as a distant second place to 'security' and 'freedom from fear' - Which has led to the UK being complicit in acts that are unacceptable - such as torture, kidknapping etc.

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
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Please explain how allowing 800,000 unchecked immigrants into your country is "pragmatic" It's f***ing insane

Edited by dannyh (25 Jul 2016 4.04pm)

"It's not the bullet that's got my name on it that concerns me; it's all them other ones flyin' around marked 'To Whom It May Concern.'"

I think its more that you need to use intelligence and law enforcement to identity threats here, share information on those abroad or suspected of being abroad with nations whilst also working on some of the core issues within secular societies that are alienating Muslims and distancing communities.

I wouldn't close down borders, because we don't have that option, only our own borders, which are fairly strictly controlled anyhow (for non-EU residents).

Stabilisation of Syria, Iraq and Libya would help.

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
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That isn't going too well on the continent is it.

2. Once again you suggest pandering to religion. 100% no to that. What alienates Muslims is the own religion.

All European countries can close borders independently. The problems we have mostly caused in the Middle East are not going away any time soon if ever. I don't think we can wait for that do you?

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (25 Jul 2016 5.17pm)