Are we allowed to start slating pardew again yet?
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 Username  Horsham 24 Oct 16 11.53am |
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Originally posted by Mstrobez
Leicester on paper aren't better than us really. People are getting carried away because they won the league - would swap Fuchs with Kelly, Huth or Morgan with Damo and Mahrez with townsends but other than that I don't see any superiority "on paper". My biggest issue with Pardew is I don't see any improvement - if results were poor but you could see evidence of us evolving then fair enough but it's bulls*** in my opinion. Tactically we have looked completely lost for a long long time and we only ever seem to look good when we do the exact thing pardew supposedly wants to come away from which is sitting deep and nicking a couple by set pieces/on the break. The reason we are good at those things are because of the defensive foundations laid out by Pulis. Under pardew, as time goes on, we look weaker and weaker at the back - regardless of injuries. It's all well and good saying you want to change the style of play but the goals we've scored this season have typically mainly been from set pieces or headers from Benteke. The only change I see is us looking more flimsy at the back. My point is we should expect to win more games given players we've signed under him, if we go on a little 3 game run it's nice but I honestly do not think many managers would've struggled to beat Sunderland Stoke and Boro with the players we had at our disposal. I just don't see us pushing on and fulfilling our actual potential under Pardew.
'People are getting carried away because they were the best team in the country last year' What nonsense.
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| Mr_Flow London 24 Oct 16 12.33pm |
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I can see where the OP is coming from. However, we're sitting mid-table and until we start to drop down the league, I don't really think it's the time to start pointing the finger at the manager. I think the key thing here is expectation. What do people really expect and what would they regard as a good season? For me, avoiding a relegation battle and finishing 8-12 is a good season. We're on track to do that, so I think the team/manager is doing a good job. Also, we're a team that's in transition. On Saturday, we controlled the game for long periods, and with better finishing, it would have been a completely different game. For the past few seasons, we had one system and one way of playing. We also used to chase the game for the vast majority of it. It's refreshing to see us changing and we won't be the finished article overnight. I think we're pretty much on par for this season so far and hopefully this will continue.
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| cpj Kent 24 Oct 16 12.53pm |
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Originally posted by Mr_Flow
I can see where the OP is coming from. However, we're sitting mid-table and until we start to drop down the league, I don't really think it's the time to start pointing the finger at the manager. I think the key thing here is expectation. What do people really expect and what would they regard as a good season? For me, avoiding a relegation battle and finishing 8-12 is a good season. We're on track to do that, so I think the team/manager is doing a good job. Also, we're a team that's in transition. On Saturday, we controlled the game for long periods, and with better finishing, it would have been a completely different game. For the past few seasons, we had one system and one way of playing. We also used to chase the game for the vast majority of it. It's refreshing to see us changing and we won't be the finished article overnight. I think we're pretty much on par for this season so far and hopefully this will continue. We've conceded first in 7 of our 9 games and only scored in the first half in 2 of those - nothing has changed there.
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| Mr_Flow London 24 Oct 16 12.56pm |
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Originally posted by cpj
We've conceded first in 7 of our 9 games and only scored in the first half in 2 of those - nothing has changed there. I mean in terms of possession rather than conceding first.
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| JacksonEagle Croydon 24 Oct 16 1.13pm |
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Originally posted by Mr_Flow
I mean in terms of possession rather than conceding first. I think that just proves how useless a statistic possession is...
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| Painter Croydon 24 Oct 16 1.26pm |
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Originally posted by JacksonEagle
I think that just proves how useless a statistic possession is... Goals are the only statistic worth reading.
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KAOS  In a tree 24 Oct 16 1.32pm |
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Originally posted by JacksonEagle
I think that just proves how useless a statistic possession is... Yep agree
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| spartakev2 Anerley 24 Oct 16 1.37pm |
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I've got mixed feelings.
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| Maine Eagle USA 24 Oct 16 1.40pm |
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I agree with the folks on here who are somewhat alluding to "you get what you pay for". Even with Benteke up top we are an average prem side, we shouldn't go down but also shouldn't finish above 10th or so. Pardew is an average manager but the thing is we could definitely go up or down fortunes wise, with a new gaffer, so be careful what you wish for. The one thing that is very suspect with AP is initial tactical strategy and then the ability to adapt and change as the game plays out, he is pretty weak there, especially on the 2nd point.
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| Painter Croydon 24 Oct 16 1.56pm |
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Originally posted by Maine Eagle
I agree with the folks on here who are somewhat alluding to "you get what you pay for". Even with Benteke up top we are an average prem side, we shouldn't go down but also shouldn't finish above 10th or so. Pardew is an average manager but the thing is we could definitely go up or down fortunes wise, with a new gaffer, so be careful what you wish for. The one thing that is very suspect with AP is initial tactical strategy and then the ability to adapt and change as the game plays out, he is pretty weak there, especially on the 2nd point. If Pardew is an average manager, who do you think is above average, that we could realistically attract?
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| rikz Croydon 24 Oct 16 2.21pm |
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The thing is we wasn't even that bad, Leicester were better and deserved the 3 points but the only real difference is they took their chances and we didn't, was not really much different pardew could of done. If you want to pick faults with anyone then it's the players on the pitch on sat for not taking our chances. AP is a good fit for where we are as a club right now.
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| EverybodyDannsNow SE19 24 Oct 16 2.27pm |
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Originally posted by Mstrobez
Or will we be branded as "fake fans" and "bed wetters". The smugness from some fans was almost as cringeworthy as the smugness from himself after beating stoke Sunderland and Boro. In the last 31 (yes, 31) games we've won 5 - that includes the 3 mentioned above. Someone please make a case given our first 11, which genuinely has quality, that that is good enough. All this "team in transition" is aload of turd as well. When we win games like we did against stoke it's because of the players we have on the pitch and the fact Pardew likes high intensity and power. Besides that he is clearly tactically inept - I thought that even when we were on a good run. Expecting to get a fair bit of abuse and contemplated saying anything but in fairness I don't really care - some people really need to wake up. Edited by Mstrobez (23 Oct 2016 4.48pm) Erm, could it be that a number of members of the talented first 11 you mentioned, weren't here for the majority of that 31 game run? We're mid-table a quarter of the way through the season - to want to 'slate' your manager for that is pathetic. Also, if you honestly can't see a transition in how we're trying to play this season, I'd have to question whether you're actually watching the games - you can question Pardew's decision to implement it, but to suggest it's not happening is just being dishonest.
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