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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 23 Mar 17 9.40am

Originally posted by hedgehog50

Perhaps not, but you express it as some sort of excuse for the IRA psychopaths. A common tactic by the left when they act as apologists for various terrorist groups whose 'causes' they somewhat approve of.
Being called a t*** by the likes of you is like being called 'lanky' by Peter Crouch.

Edited by hedgehog50 (22 Mar 2017 5.17pm)

That's an impressive stretch. Are you comparing peter crouch to the IRA?

 


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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 23 Mar 17 9.43am

Originally posted by OldFella

Made me laugh out loud. You have got to be related to Paul Nuttall. Sorry for your loss at Hillsborough, and hope you played well at Tranmere Rovers. What a load of BS/hogwash!

All true I'm afraid. You'll notice that only two of those things directly relate to me.

Edited by jamiemartin721 (23 Mar 2017 9.44am)

 


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View OknotOK's Profile OknotOK Flag Cockfosters, London 23 Mar 17 10.29am Send a Private Message to OknotOK Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add OknotOK as a friend

Originally posted by reborn

I hated the IRA, but if I'd been Catholic growing up in Belfast, I'd probably have been in it.

I think this is spot on for many.

I don't know what I'd have done. But it is easy to understand why some young people growing up in Belfast and surrounding areas would have been radicalised.

It doesn't excuse it. It doesn't make it right. But it doesn't make it any less true.

 


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View Hrolf The Ganger's Profile Hrolf The Ganger Flag 23 Mar 17 1.08pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by OknotOK

I think this is spot on for many.

I don't know what I'd have done. But it is easy to understand why some young people growing up in Belfast and surrounding areas would have been radicalised.

It doesn't excuse it. It doesn't make it right. But it doesn't make it any less true.

So it's understandable to support murderers when you feel hard done by?

Just making a note of that.

 

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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 23 Mar 17 1.21pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

So it's understandable to support murderers when you feel hard done by?

Just making a note of that.

Oh dear...

 

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Originally posted by nickgusset

Oh dear...

Oh dear indeed.

 

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A murderer dies a death....It was far more pleasant than the ones he planned for others who opposed him.

Good riddance to the tos-er.

 


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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

So it's understandable to support murderers when you feel hard done by?

Just making a note of that.

That isn't what he said. As someone else mentioned a few pages back we are talking about people who's ideas and beliefs are deeply entrenched and ingrained in them practically from birth. passed down from their fathers, uncles and grandfathers . In the same way (very basic examples I accept but still comparable) the way racism is , sexism is , football hooliganism and so on. As a young child growing up in that environment it's very real that many would grow up as sympathisers or fully committed to the causes the ira represented. They wouldn't have known any different

 


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Originally posted by Michaelawt85

That isn't what he said. As someone else mentioned a few pages back we are talking about people who's ideas and beliefs are deeply entrenched and ingrained in them practically from birth. passed down from their fathers, uncles and grandfathers . In the same way (very basic examples I accept but still comparable) the way racism is , sexism is , football hooliganism and so on. As a young child growing up in that environment it's very real that many would grow up as sympathisers or fully committed to the causes the ira represented. They wouldn't have known any different

Cultural relativism.

There is an element of truth to this but if it were properly accurate then the numbers of McGuinness figures would have been far higher than it was.

There was an argument for Irish resistance but plenty of Catholics disagreed with the IRA's violent methods.

 


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Originally posted by Michaelawt85

That isn't what he said. As someone else mentioned a few pages back we are talking about people who's ideas and beliefs are deeply entrenched and ingrained in them practically from birth. passed down from their fathers, uncles and grandfathers . In the same way (very basic examples I accept but still comparable) the way racism is , sexism is , football hooliganism and so on. As a young child growing up in that environment it's very real that many would grow up as sympathisers or fully committed to the causes the ira represented. They wouldn't have known any different

'But it is easy to understand why some young people growing up in Belfast and surrounding areas would have been radicalised'.


If 'radicalised' isn't a euphuism for supporting terrorism then what is it?

If everyone who who felt like they were getting a raw deal killed someone, we would all be dead already.

 

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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

'But it is easy to understand why some young people growing up in Belfast and surrounding areas would have been radicalised'.


If 'radicalised' isn't a euphuism for supporting terrorism then what is it?

If everyone who who felt like they were getting a raw deal killed someone, we would all be dead already.

I take your point and you are correct. An eye for an eye makes everyone blind..

But I think you are completely missing the point of why some people end up getting involved. Whether they are right or wrong why they get drawn into it and as I say when you have generations of families friends and neighbourhoods caught up in things like that I don't think it takes much

 


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legaleagle Flag 23 Mar 17 2.12pm

And there is a decent argument that the "armed struggle"only came into being after the civil rights movement (modelled on the movement of the same name in the USA) and aimed at getting rid of the apartheid like state we had set up (giving in to unionist threats of terrorism) and turned a blind eye to while it flourished for decades was greeted by unrestrained violence.

If you were a catholic youth in 1968-1972,I suspect you'd have been likely to see your Provos as somewhat more your friends than the B Specials and the army...back in the days when Paisley was describing catholics as “they breed like rabbits and multiply like vermin”,at a loyalist rally in 1969. Mind you he'd have felt right at home amongst the way some describe asylum seekers today,but that's another story.

 

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