Is The Department for Education 'Fit for Purpose'?
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nickgusset  Shizzlehurst 21 Apr 17 7.12pm |
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Originally posted by pefwin
I don't have a problem with the paperwork (to a certain extent Hoof is correct though a tad of a rant) or the testing, even at ages like 5 or 7, but the size of classes does. The quiet kids and the kids doing "alright" are ignored and issues are not spotted, whilst the unruly and the marginal pass get the attention. Money has been syphoned into pay and benefits whilst Sport etc seems to be ignored not so much because of the "anti competitive" ethos of 20 years ago but because the fields etc do not exist at many schools and I see classrooms being built over green spaces that exist. The anti competitive ethos is unsubstantiated crap from the media much like the infamous winterval bulls***... [Link] that some people still perpetuate. How many other perceived facts within the national vernacular are bs. Other than
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 Kermit8  Hevon 21 Apr 17 7.34pm |
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Originally posted by pefwin
I don't have a problem with the paperwork (to a certain extent Hoof is correct though a tad of a rant) or the testing, even at ages like 5 or 7, but the size of classes does. The quiet kids and the kids doing "alright" are ignored and issues are not spotted, whilst the unruly and the marginal pass get the attention. Today I had a phone call from the school intervention team/head of year confirming that they had taken direct action, at my request and their intention, against a lad who was being a pest, more than once, in my boy's class. He won't be a problem during my boy's lessons any more.
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pefwin  Where you have to have an English ... 21 Apr 17 7.56pm |
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Originally posted by Kermit8
Today I had a phone call from the school intervention team/head of year confirming that they had taken direct action, at my request and their intention, against a lad who was being a pest, more than once, in my boy's class. He won't be a problem during my boy's lessons any more.
Well done Kerms. My understanding is that many of these kids come with a subsidy for the school so management do not want rid.
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| pefwin Where you have to have an English ... 21 Apr 17 8.00pm |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
The anti competitive ethos is unsubstantiated crap from the media much like the infamous winterval bulls***... [Link] that some people still perpetuate. How many other perceived facts within the national vernacular are bs. Other than Your link seems to go to the home page. Personally I would not conflate the "winterval" with non competitive sports.
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 21 Apr 17 8.06pm |
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Originally posted by pefwin
Well done Kerms. My understanding is that many of these kids come with a subsidy for the school so management do not want rid. They do called pupil premium. These kids have to make better progress than their peers.
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| Kingvagabond London 21 Apr 17 8.53pm |
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This ridiculous concept that schools keep problem kids on for stipends beggars belief. Last year I had a kid with ASD who is completely incapable of being in main stream education. He was a danger to others and to himself. We tried to have him sent to a specialised unit for ASD children for four years. He was observed 6 times with CAMHS (Child and Adolescent Mental Health Services) observing him on multiple occasions. They refused to transfer him to a specialist unit despite seeing him become belligerent and aggressive twice during observations. Finally, after 40 pages of meticulously recorded notes by me, pictures of bruises on my and my TA's body and a refusal to have him come back into school they suggested a 'part time schedule'. Eventually he was transferred but only after continued intervention from the LA. He's now in a specialist unit and thriving. We didn't want him for a stipend, they refused to give him a statement. We don't blame CAMHS, they're chronically under invested. We don't blame him or his family. He's a kid with a disability forced into a situation he should never have been in (and yes I do blame Labour for that). We don't blame ourselves, we did the very best we could have done. We blame a Tory government that refuse to invest in Mental Health.
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| Stirlingsays 21 Apr 17 9.37pm |
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1. I never had a problem with this aspect of Gove's reforms. Making exams more difficult has some issues but in general is going in the right direction. As long as teachers aren't expected to churn out the same level of results with those exams. Also, greater emphasis and rigor for the academic pathway is fine but vocational pathways also need the same. 2. Being in secondary I'm not sure what the right level of testing is for 7 and 11....I wouldn't even start serious school for boys until 7 anyway as the Nordic countries do. 3. Never agreed with the concept of Grammar schools. I believe the state should ensure equality of opportunity...especially for children...and it doesn't....so it doesn't really help create a meritocracy....which in this day and age is terrible. 4. funding of education like any public sector should be in line with what is affordable. The left will always have their hand out for more....it's the child's hand in the cookie jar mentality. What is and what isn't affordable is another argument.
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 21 Apr 17 10.35pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
1. I never had a problem with this aspect of Gove's reforms. Making exams more difficult has some issues but in general is going in the right direction. As long as teachers aren't expected to churn out the same level of results with those exams. Fine enough, but that isn't what's happening. How can teachers know what they're aiming for if the goalposts keep being moved. The system is shot. Quote
2. Being in secondary I'm not sure what the right level of testing is for 7 and 11....I wouldn't even start serious school for boys until 7 anyway as the Nordic countries do. Primary school teaching for yr 2 and year 6 teachers is s*** until after the SATS. The overtesting and teaching to the test was one of the reasons I got out. Quote 3. Never agreed with the concept of Grammar schools. I believe the state should ensure equality of opportunity...especially for children...and it doesn't....so it doesn't really help create a meritocracy....which in this day and age is terrible.
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4. funding of education like any public sector should be in line with what is affordable. The left will always have their hand out for more....it's the child's hand in the cookie jar mentality. What is and what isn't affordable is another argument. Actually it's not the left. Acadamies have carte blanche to print money for those that run them. Using only companies that happen to be owned by the same people that run the school in many cases. This is not to say that there aren't good academy schools because there are.
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| Only 10 a year!! 21 Apr 17 11.03pm |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
They do called pupil premium. These kids have to make better progress than their peers. Pupil Premium is for students that have received free school meals within the last six years and are perceived to be disadvantaged by their family's income or resources not for any behavioural issues. Any child that is disruptive or has behavioural issues could be statemented (it has a relatively new acronym now) and receive top up funding of around £15k but this is determined and funded by the local authority who receive the money straight from the Government. Moving a child from a school is also extremely difficult and would often need assistance from the local authority.
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 24 Apr 17 9.43am |
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The ludicrous cost of PFI. A half decent idea carried through very badly.
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| Sportyteacher London 26 Apr 17 11.57am |
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'MPs have questioned "how much of a grip" the Department for Education has on providing school places where they are needed in England.
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| Only 10 a year!! 26 Apr 17 1.18pm |
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Originally posted by Sportyteacher
'MPs have questioned "how much of a grip" the Department for Education has on providing school places where they are needed in England.
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