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Hrolf The Ganger 24 Apr 17 9.45pm
Originally posted by Y Ddraig Goch The rest of their integration policy belongs in the 30s Which parts of this do you object to and why? Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (24 Apr 2017 9.46pm)
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Originally posted by Y Ddraig Goch

The rest of their integration policy belongs in the 30s

Which parts of this do you object to and why?

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (24 Apr 2017 9.46pm)

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legaleagle 24 Apr 17 9.50pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays ...there has never been a call for diversity from people other than like yourself. Stirling,is respect for diversity of beliefs and diversity of opinions including good old British eccentrics,not a traditional virtue you have time for but characterise rather as a creation of the "hard left"?
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24 Apr 17 9.50pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

...there has never been a call for diversity from people other than like yourself.

Stirling,is respect for diversity of beliefs and diversity of opinions including good old British eccentrics,not a traditional virtue you have time for but characterise rather as a creation of the "hard left"?

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Stirlingsays 25 Apr 17 2.37am
Originally posted by legaleagle Stirling,is respect for diversity of beliefs and diversity of opinions including good old British eccentrics,not a traditional virtue you have time for but characterise rather as a creation of the "hard left"? This is the problem with the word diversity. Diversity of thought and opinions is not an issue and is evidence of free speech and a functioning democracy. Diversity of cultures is a step-change further than that and a synonym for multiculturalism, which is a left supported failed concept that has harmed social cohesion and exacerbated divides between people. Then there is the 'diversity' meaning that an organisation like the BBC's uses...People like Tony Hall who have decided to be ideological and give the nation what he thinks is right for them...Nothing like bringing in diversity of class of course...which I would actually recognise as positive and a real change...but using 'diversity' as just another buzzword for sacking white men.....A usage of the word that is genuinely racist and sexist. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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25 Apr 17 2.37am

Originally posted by legaleagle

This is the problem with the word diversity. Diversity of thought and opinions is not an issue and is evidence of free speech and a functioning democracy.

Diversity of cultures is a step-change further than that and a synonym for multiculturalism, which is a left supported failed concept that has harmed social cohesion and exacerbated divides between people.

Then there is the 'diversity' meaning that an organisation like the BBC's uses...People like Tony Hall who have decided to be ideological and give the nation what he thinks is right for them...Nothing like bringing in diversity of class of course...which I would actually recognise as positive and a real change...but using 'diversity' as just another buzzword for sacking white men.....A usage of the word that is genuinely racist and sexist.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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Stirlingsays 25 Apr 17 7.25am
'I posted a cartoon of Muhammad while the BBC shat themselves. Now I defend burqas against a ban. So many people simply don't get liberalism' Maajid Nawaz (Islamic reformer) He calls burqas 'repugnant', quite rightly in my view. Still, censoring dress has to pertain to a rational reason.....security reasons for example....teaching a class..situations that require communications or identification....Outside of that people should wear what they want....Even horrible depictions of female repression. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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25 Apr 17 7.25am

'I posted a cartoon of Muhammad while the BBC shat themselves. Now I defend burqas against a ban. So many people simply don't get liberalism'

Maajid Nawaz (Islamic reformer)

He calls burqas 'repugnant', quite rightly in my view.

Still, censoring dress has to pertain to a rational reason.....security reasons for example....teaching a class..situations that require communications or identification....Outside of that people should wear what they want....Even horrible depictions of female repression.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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7mins In the bush 25 Apr 17 8.11am
I think the burka is divisive. My personal opinion is it looks stupid, I think it makes communication difficult. I think it's a sign of a culture that doesn't believe in equality. The liberals struggle with this one..... women being forced (90% have no free choice according to the Muslim lady on LBC). This country is the best in the world in my opinion. I'm so glad my parents chose to come here, (my dad nearly chose USA) the NHS saved more than one member of my families life. This country believes in equality. Any religion that treats anyone different (women/gays/races/other faiths) should not be allowed in society... let them practice it privately. Every single thing in this world should treat everyone as equals. It's something I passionately believe in. We all get the same treatment, no-one gets a free pass to be a prick. Edited by 7mins (25 Apr 2017 8.12am)
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In the bush 25 Apr 17 8.11am

I think the burka is divisive. My personal opinion is it looks stupid, I think it makes communication difficult. I think it's a sign of a culture that doesn't believe in equality. The liberals struggle with this one..... women being forced (90% have no free choice according to the Muslim lady on LBC). This country is the best in the world in my opinion. I'm so glad my parents chose to come here, (my dad nearly chose USA) the NHS saved more than one member of my families life. This country believes in equality. Any religion that treats anyone different (women/gays/races/other faiths) should not be allowed in society... let them practice it privately.

Every single thing in this world should treat everyone as equals. It's something I passionately believe in. We all get the same treatment, no-one gets a free pass to be a prick.

Edited by 7mins (25 Apr 2017 8.12am)

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Kermit8 Hevon 25 Apr 17 8.46am
Ban them and all we would get is Burka Speakeasy's opening up all over by some chap called Halal Capone and then ensuing fabric turf wars. Could get nasty. Big chest and massive boobs [Link]
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Hevon 25 Apr 17 8.46am

Ban them and all we would get is Burka Speakeasy's opening up all over by some chap called Halal Capone and then ensuing fabric turf wars.

Could get nasty.

Big chest and massive boobs

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becky over the moon 25 Apr 17 9.31am
Originally posted by Kermit8 Ban them and all we would get is Burka Speakeasy's opening up all over by some chap called Halal Capone and then ensuing fabric turf wars. Could get nasty. Possibly called Niqclubs? A stairway to Heaven and a Highway to Hell give some indication of expected traffic numbers
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over the moon 25 Apr 17 9.31am

Originally posted by Kermit8

Ban them and all we would get is Burka Speakeasy's opening up all over by some chap called Halal Capone and then ensuing fabric turf wars.

Could get nasty.

Possibly called Niqclubs?

A stairway to Heaven and a Highway to Hell give some indication of expected traffic numbers

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Part Time James 25 Apr 17 9.35am
Originally posted by becky Possibly called Niqclubs? I was thinking more of a Mosquerade Ball
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Originally posted by becky

Possibly called Niqclubs?

I was thinking more of a Mosquerade Ball

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jamiemartin721 Reading 25 Apr 17 10.49am
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger OK, but we can't talk about Muslims as if the are separate from British society. They are not. Muslim women in the UK are now British women and our attitudes have to prevail over imported religious dogma. British Islam must embrace British principles, not the other way around, as the liberal Left would like. To an extent its a two way street, a country exists as its people, as such one would expect the British social values and attitudes would also adopt elements of citizens cultural perspectives to some extent. I think a certain amount of acceptance of Muslims also has to occur (personally I have an issue with Burkhas that I don't with say headscarfs). "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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Reading 25 Apr 17 10.49am

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

OK, but we can't talk about Muslims as if the are separate from British society. They are not. Muslim women in the UK are now British women and our attitudes have to prevail over imported religious dogma. British Islam must embrace British principles, not the other way around, as the liberal Left would like.

To an extent its a two way street, a country exists as its people, as such one would expect the British social values and attitudes would also adopt elements of citizens cultural perspectives to some extent. I think a certain amount of acceptance of Muslims also has to occur (personally I have an issue with Burkhas that I don't with say headscarfs).

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
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jamiemartin721 Reading 25 Apr 17 10.51am
Originally posted by Far away fan wait and see new born Well I am 45, but you said 'this happens everytime' I was questioning when. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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Reading 25 Apr 17 10.51am

Originally posted by Far away fan

wait and see new born

Well I am 45, but you said 'this happens everytime' I was questioning when.

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
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CambridgeEagle Sydenham 25 Apr 17 10.52am
Originally posted by 7mins I think the burka is divisive. My personal opinion is it looks stupid, I think it makes communication difficult. I think it's a sign of a culture that doesn't believe in equality. The liberals struggle with this one..... women being forced (90% have no free choice according to the Muslim lady on LBC). This country is the best in the world in my opinion. I'm so glad my parents chose to come here, (my dad nearly chose USA) the NHS saved more than one member of my families life. This country believes in equality. Any religion that treats anyone different (women/gays/races/other faiths) should not be allowed in society... let them practice it privately. Every single thing in this world should treat everyone as equals. It's something I passionately believe in. We all get the same treatment, no-one gets a free pass to be a prick. Edited by 7mins (25 Apr 2017 8.12am) Some of it does. Tories not so much - strong evidence to suggest they believe in quite the opposite. Very damaging.
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Originally posted by 7mins

I think the burka is divisive. My personal opinion is it looks stupid, I think it makes communication difficult. I think it's a sign of a culture that doesn't believe in equality. The liberals struggle with this one..... women being forced (90% have no free choice according to the Muslim lady on LBC). This country is the best in the world in my opinion. I'm so glad my parents chose to come here, (my dad nearly chose USA) the NHS saved more than one member of my families life. This country believes in equality. Any religion that treats anyone different (women/gays/races/other faiths) should not be allowed in society... let them practice it privately.

Every single thing in this world should treat everyone as equals. It's something I passionately believe in. We all get the same treatment, no-one gets a free pass to be a prick.

Edited by 7mins (25 Apr 2017 8.12am)

Some of it does. Tories not so much - strong evidence to suggest they believe in quite the opposite. Very damaging.

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Hrolf The Ganger 25 Apr 17 11.08am
Originally posted by jamiemartin721 To an extent its a two way street, a country exists as its people, as such one would expect the British social values and attitudes would also adopt elements of citizens cultural perspectives to some extent. I think a certain amount of acceptance of Muslims also has to occur (personally I have an issue with Burkhas that I don't with say headscarfs). Cultural elements yes, but religious dogma that belongs in the middle ages, no.
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25 Apr 17 11.08am

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

To an extent its a two way street, a country exists as its people, as such one would expect the British social values and attitudes would also adopt elements of citizens cultural perspectives to some extent. I think a certain amount of acceptance of Muslims also has to occur (personally I have an issue with Burkhas that I don't with say headscarfs).

Cultural elements yes, but religious dogma that belongs in the middle ages, no.

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