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hedgehog50 Croydon 23 May 17 3.38pm
Originally posted by nickgusset Fight those who do not believe in Allah or in the Last Day and who do not consider unlawful what Allah and His Messenger have made unlawful and who do not adopt the religion of truth from those who were given the Scripture - [fight] until they give the jizyah willingly while they are humbled. Quran, chapter 9(towbah),verse 29 __________________________________________ I read a piece yesterday that said the Quran should be read as a whole rather than picking and choosing extracts to understand it fully. When read as a whole the extracts make better sense in context. The author other piece was complaining that neither jihadists nor their western critics see the Quran as a whole which is where the problem lies. So what is the context of the quote then? What is the 'better sense' that we can get from it if we read the whole Quran? We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]
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hedgehog50

Croydon 23 May 17 3.38pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

Fight those who do not believe in Allah or in the Last Day and who do not consider unlawful what Allah and His Messenger have made unlawful and who do not adopt the religion of truth from those who were given the Scripture - [fight] until they give the jizyah willingly while they are humbled.

Quran, chapter 9(towbah),verse 29

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I read a piece yesterday that said the Quran should be read as a whole rather than picking and choosing extracts to understand it fully. When read as a whole the extracts make better sense in context. The author other piece was complaining that neither jihadists nor their western critics see the Quran as a whole which is where the problem lies.

So what is the context of the quote then? What is the 'better sense' that we can get from it if we read the whole Quran?

We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]

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Stirlingsays 23 May 17 3.38pm
Originally posted by nickgusset I found the article. [Link] Sure you found it but why did you post a link to it? Of course the Qu'ran doesn't 'advocate terrorism'...God that headline is so stupid. But it does advocate violence in defence of its religion......So dancing on a pin. Also those so called 'facts' the article raises are very very very one eyed interpretations themselves. I've heard these 'facts' before. Read the book yourself. Hey why not look into the Invasion of Banu Qurayza before you do this again. Interesting which side of the line you fall into when it comes to this kind of thing.....You said you'd look into this area and I suspect you didn't. Edited by Stirlingsays (23 May 2017 3.46pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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23 May 17 3.38pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

I found the article.

[Link]

Sure you found it but why did you post a link to it?

Of course the Qu'ran doesn't 'advocate terrorism'...God that headline is so stupid.

But it does advocate violence in defence of its religion......So dancing on a pin.

Also those so called 'facts' the article raises are very very very one eyed interpretations themselves.

I've heard these 'facts' before. Read the book yourself. Hey why not look into the Invasion of Banu Qurayza before you do this again.

Interesting which side of the line you fall into when it comes to this kind of thing.....You said you'd look into this area and I suspect you didn't.

Edited by Stirlingsays (23 May 2017 3.46pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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jamiemartin721 Reading 23 May 17 3.47pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Sure you found it but why did you post a link to it? Of course the Qu'ran doesn't 'advocate terrorism'...God that headline is so stupid. But it does advocate violence in defence of its religion......So dancing on a pin. Also those so called 'facts' the article raises are very very very one eyed interpretations themselves. I've heard these 'facts' before. Read the book yourself. Interesting which side of the line you fall into when it comes to this kind of thing.....You said you'd look into this area and I suspect you didn't. Its a shame that all religious books don't start with a 'God says don't be a dick' preface. Plenty of s**t in the bible that promotes the use of violence and oppression. Products of their time and all that. It'd be better maybe if rather than being colonised by a foreign religion from the middle east, the Romans had adopted ZaZen, Taoism or Buddhism. Or just stuck with the Paganism (at least it has create parties and fallible gods) . These Monotheistic religions have been nothing but trouble "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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Reading 23 May 17 3.47pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Sure you found it but why did you post a link to it?

Of course the Qu'ran doesn't 'advocate terrorism'...God that headline is so stupid.

But it does advocate violence in defence of its religion......So dancing on a pin.

Also those so called 'facts' the article raises are very very very one eyed interpretations themselves.

I've heard these 'facts' before. Read the book yourself.

Interesting which side of the line you fall into when it comes to this kind of thing.....You said you'd look into this area and I suspect you didn't.

Its a shame that all religious books don't start with a 'God says don't be a dick' preface. Plenty of s**t in the bible that promotes the use of violence and oppression. Products of their time and all that.

It'd be better maybe if rather than being colonised by a foreign religion from the middle east, the Romans had adopted ZaZen, Taoism or Buddhism. Or just stuck with the Paganism (at least it has create parties and fallible gods) . These Monotheistic religions have been nothing but trouble

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
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jamiemartin721 Reading 23 May 17 3.48pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Sure you found it but why did you post a link to it? Of course the Qu'ran doesn't 'advocate terrorism'...God that headline is so stupid. But it does advocate violence in defence of its religion......So dancing on a pin. Also those so called 'facts' the article raises are very very very one eyed interpretations themselves. I've heard these 'facts' before. Read the book yourself. Hey why not look into the Invasion of Banu Qurayza before you do this again. Interesting which side of the line you fall into when it comes to this kind of thing.....You said you'd look into this area and I suspect you didn't. Edited by Stirlingsays (23 May 2017 3.46pm) I like what Mohammed has to say about cats. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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jamiemartin721

Reading 23 May 17 3.48pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Sure you found it but why did you post a link to it?

Of course the Qu'ran doesn't 'advocate terrorism'...God that headline is so stupid.

But it does advocate violence in defence of its religion......So dancing on a pin.

Also those so called 'facts' the article raises are very very very one eyed interpretations themselves.

I've heard these 'facts' before. Read the book yourself. Hey why not look into the Invasion of Banu Qurayza before you do this again.

Interesting which side of the line you fall into when it comes to this kind of thing.....You said you'd look into this area and I suspect you didn't.

Edited by Stirlingsays (23 May 2017 3.46pm)

I like what Mohammed has to say about cats.

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 23 May 17 3.49pm
Originally posted by hedgehog50 So what is the context of the quote then? What is the 'better sense' that we can get from it if we read the whole Quran? I don't know, you posted it. See the link I posted previously to see where I was coming from.
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Shizzlehurst 23 May 17 3.49pm

Originally posted by hedgehog50

So what is the context of the quote then? What is the 'better sense' that we can get from it if we read the whole Quran?

I don't know, you posted it.
See the link I posted previously to see where I was coming from.

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Hrolf The Ganger 23 May 17 4.00pm
Originally posted by nickgusset I don't know, you posted it. See the link I posted previously to see where I was coming from. There is no sense in Theism at all. It doesn't matter how it is dressed up. By all means seek wisdom but don't lead your life based on what 'God' says or even worse, what someone else says 'God' said. It is really odd how some people's first reaction to an atrocity like this is to defend Islam. I look forward to your defence of Neo Nazis or radical Christians when they next kill someone. We might be waiting a while.
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Originally posted by nickgusset

I don't know, you posted it.
See the link I posted previously to see where I was coming from.

There is no sense in Theism at all. It doesn't matter how it is dressed up.
By all means seek wisdom but don't lead your life based on what 'God' says or even worse, what someone else says 'God' said.

It is really odd how some people's first reaction to an atrocity like this is to defend Islam.
I look forward to your defence of Neo Nazis or radical Christians when they next kill someone. We might be waiting a while.

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hedgehog50 Croydon 23 May 17 4.03pm
Originally posted by nickgusset I don't know, you posted it. See the link I posted previously to see where I was coming from. We know where you are 'coming from'. We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]
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hedgehog50

Croydon 23 May 17 4.03pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

I don't know, you posted it.
See the link I posted previously to see where I was coming from.

We know where you are 'coming from'.

We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]

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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 23 May 17 4.06pm
Originally posted by hedgehog50 We know where you are 'coming from'. Lily is that you? Go on explain where I am coming from.
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Shizzlehurst 23 May 17 4.06pm

Originally posted by hedgehog50

We know where you are 'coming from'.

Lily is that you?

Go on explain where I am coming from.

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matt_himself Matataland 23 May 17 4.06pm
If only everything in life were as predictable as a HoL thread following a terrorist outrage. "That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02
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Matataland 23 May 17 4.06pm

If only everything in life were as predictable as a HoL thread following a terrorist outrage.

"That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02

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elgrande bedford 23 May 17 4.14pm
Originally posted by matt_himself If only everything in life were as predictable as a HoL thread following a terrorist outrage. Try the BBS....f*** me you thought this was predictable. always a Norwood boy, where ever I live.
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elgrande

bedford 23 May 17 4.14pm

Originally posted by matt_himself

If only everything in life were as predictable as a HoL thread following a terrorist outrage.

Try the BBS....f*** me you thought this was predictable.

always a Norwood boy, where ever I live.

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hedgehog50 Croydon 23 May 17 4.15pm
Originally posted by nickgusset Lily is that you? Go on explain where I am coming from. An episode of 'Citizen Smith'. We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]
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hedgehog50

Croydon 23 May 17 4.15pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

Lily is that you?

Go on explain where I am coming from.

An episode of 'Citizen Smith'.

We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]

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Hrolf The Ganger 23 May 17 4.17pm
Originally posted by elgrande Try the BBS....f*** me you thought this was predictable. Why anyone bothers to post on the political threads on there is beyond me. It is an old pals club of left wing nutters and apologists. It's a disgrace to the name of CPFC. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (23 May 2017 4.17pm)
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Hrolf The Ganger

23 May 17 4.17pm

Originally posted by elgrande

Try the BBS....f*** me you thought this was predictable.

Why anyone bothers to post on the political threads on there is beyond me.
It is an old pals club of left wing nutters and apologists. It's a disgrace to the name of CPFC.

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (23 May 2017 4.17pm)

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