Took 6 minutes for first two engines to arrive. Problem wasn't the fire service!

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I'm posting the New York City Building and Fire Safety Code pertaining to fire safety equipment in buildings above six stories. Both sprinklers and standpipes are required here Had Grenfell Towers been built here it would have had to have both as well as alarms and multiple fire stairs. I raise this as it seems the Towers lacked sprinklers and survivors are inconsistent about whether an alarm went off.

I realize the NYC Government is different but I'm surprised that building and fire safety codes would allow tall buildings to be without basic fire safety equipment. I know that the London Fire Brigade has made it clear that buildings above ten stories are beyond the abilities of its vehicle based equipment. That is standard world wide including the FDNY. This is why sprinklers, standpipes, alarms, marked exits and multiple fire stairs have become the norm rather than the exception. Many of our fire safety rules for both residences and businesses date back to the Triangle Shirtwaist fire in 1911 and have been updated as technology or tragedy instructs.

As the investigation goes forward, it should be pointed out that neither Labour, Tories nor any other national party occupy the high ground. There have been a succession of National and local governments who seem to have allowed the conditions at Grenfell to occur. I suggest the way forward is to compare and contrast standards in other large cities like New York, Chicago, LA, Singapore, Shanghai, Tokyo, Paris and other European cities.

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What's the cladding like on the main stand?

How the hell can a tower block not have sprinklers?

How are they meant to deal with a fire that spreads rapidly? Are they always relying on someone or more being capable of fighting it early? Isn't that rolling a dice?

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In terms of building regulations, I'm guessing (hoping) that cost is irrelevant.

Cost is always relevant in everything we do. That's why certain drugs aren't available on the, train safety systems are sometimes not implemented and why sometimes sprinklers aren't fitted. There always have to be cost judgments on life otherwise we'd all go broke. Whether the right judgment was made in this case will only come out in an enquiry. It may just be an engineering cock up.