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View matt_himself's Profile matt_himself Flag Hard Brexit 08 Jul 17 7.51am Send a Private Message to matt_himself Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add matt_himself as a friend

Let's have a proper thread about the man who should be our next Prime Minister.

The good news is that odds are 'slashed' on JRM becoming the next PM:

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Here he is on Question Time:

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This country needs a traditional conservative prime minister and hopefully soon we will have one.

 


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View Midlands Eagle's Profile Midlands Eagle Flag 08 Jul 17 8.22am Send a Private Message to Midlands Eagle Add Midlands Eagle as a friend

The problem with him becoming Prime Minister is that he will no longer be able to appear on Have I Got News For You

 

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View nickgusset's Profile nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 08 Jul 17 8.24am Send a Private Message to nickgusset Add nickgusset as a friend

Definitely one for the forlock tuggers

 


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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Flag Wisbech, England 08 Jul 17 10.15am Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Mogg would firm up the base but I don't see him reaching the 'don't knows'. He has a seriously good brain but I don't see him winning marginals.

The Tories need Johnson and it's as simple as that.

If they choose anyone else they only have themselves to blame.

 

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View Willo's Profile Willo Flag 08 Jul 17 10.18am Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

Loved that Churchillian phrase he used "Terminological inexactitude".Tremendous !

 

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View nickgusset's Profile nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 08 Jul 17 10.23am Send a Private Message to nickgusset Add nickgusset as a friend

Originally posted by Willo

Loved that Churchillian phrase he used "Terminological inexactitude".Tremendous !

Cap doffer.

Cracking voting record. [Link]

I can see why you like him so much

 


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View nickgusset's Profile nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 08 Jul 17 10.25am Send a Private Message to nickgusset Add nickgusset as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Mogg would firm up the base but I don't see him reaching the 'don't knows'. He has a seriously good brain but I don't see him winning marginals.

The Tories need Johnson and it's as simple as that.

If they choose anyone else they only have themselves to blame.

This Boris Johnson? Boris Johnson accused: 'you're a nasty piece of work' video

[Link]

 


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View Willo's Profile Willo Flag 08 Jul 17 10.34am Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

Not sure what you call a person who is pre-occupied with incessant trawling of the Internet for Anti-Tory messages as part of a 'Leftie' agenda. Maybe it's called "Gusseting"

 

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View nickgusset's Profile nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 08 Jul 17 10.39am Send a Private Message to nickgusset Add nickgusset as a friend

Originally posted by Willo

Not sure what you call a person who is pre-occupied with incessant trawling of the Internet for Anti-Tory messages as part of a 'Leftie' agenda. Maybe it's called "Gusseting"

One can assume you approve of what Mogg has voted for or against then. What a lovely caring chap you are.

Looking at they work for you is hardly trawling.

 


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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Flag Wisbech, England 08 Jul 17 10.39am Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by nickgusset

This Boris Johnson? Boris Johnson accused: 'you're a nasty piece of work' video

[Link]

Hahaha

This will be fun. Johnson isn't going to be hurt or lose popularity over attempts to portray him as 'nasty'. His opponents have been doing that for over a decade.

We had the Liverpool thing....where he was quite right in my view and it makes no difference. He's got up to plenty of 'iffy' things....He's a personality.

Like Trump, like Corbyn the more he's attacked as a personality the more you firm up support for him at the grassroots.

Johnson is a personality....go get your own personality...you have a cool 'spend, spend, spend' manifesto. Did I mention....'He's a personality'?

Johnson is kryptonite to Labour.

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View Willo's Profile Willo Flag 08 Jul 17 10.43am Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

Originally posted by nickgusset

One can assume you approve of what Mogg has voted for or against then. What a lovely caring chap you are.

Looking at they work for you is hardly trawling.

You can assume what you like as part of your 'Leftie" agenda.Try smearing me as well - it won't work.I am certainly NO milquetoast.

You may carry on your "Gusseting" in the hope that someone one day might actually might find it enlightning.As for myself, I am not going to give the 'Links' any credence by reading them.

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View nickgusset's Profile nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 08 Jul 17 10.58am Send a Private Message to nickgusset Add nickgusset as a friend

Originally posted by Willo

You can assume what you like as part of your 'Leftie" agenda.Try smearing me as well - it won't work.I am certainly NO milquetoast.

You may carry on your "Gusseting" in the hope that someone one day might actually might find it enlightning.As for myself, I am not going to give the 'Links' any credence by reading them.


Why don't you want to know Moggs voting record. He's also good at filibustering.


As for not reading stuff...
The Dunning-Kruger effect

This tendency for people to express opinions on articles they've not even read is an example of the Dunning-Kruger effect, which is the proven theory that the less of an expert a person is on a subject, the more they tend to underestimate their lack of knowledge. Thus a guy who reads nothing but simplistic pro-austerity narratives in the S*n or Daily Mail (written in the vocabulary of a 10 year old) might think himself an expert on economic issues, whilst an economics expert who understands how ludicrously complex the global derivatives market is, will know that it's now so complicated that it's far beyond the ability of even a visionary genius to understand the entire financial system.

Essentially what people are doing when they express an opinion on something they've not even bothered to read is taking the incredibly pompous stance that they're such an expert, and their perspective is so inherently perfect that they don't even need to examine the evidence before they share their sage and ever-so-important opinion.

Long before the Dunning-Kruger effect was formalised, the philosopher Bertrand Russell said "The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, and wiser people so full of doubts."

Intellectual laziness

There is nothing wrong with forming an opinion just by looking at the title of an article and the associated image, in fact that's the way that most of us determine which links we're actually going to click and read, and which we're going to ignore.

The problem I have with intellectually lazy people is that they make the perfectly natural decision not to read an article, but then decide to share their blatantly unfounded opinion that the article they refuse to read is "absolute crap"!

The thought process they undergo is something like this:

1. I'm not going to read that because I don't like what I imagine that it says.
2. Nobody else should read articles that say things that I don't like.
3. I'm going to leave a comment saying how crap the article is in order to dissuade other people from reading it.

This kind of behaviour is about as clear a demonstration of intellectual laziness as is possible.

I find people who are ill-informed slightly annoying, but it's understandable that the person who hardly reads anything other than flicking through the copy of the Daily Mail/S*n in the workplace canteen has got some pretty weird misconceptions (like immigrants being to blame for everything or George Osborne being a genius). Okay, these people should still probably understand that the newspapers are propaganda devices, and that they shouldn't allow themselves to be so easily programmed with right-wing propaganda narratives, but they can't really be blamed for their lack of critical thinking skills (that's a result of the top-down authoritarian education system we suffer in this country) nor for failing to come across independent information sources (even a reasonably successful blog like mine is a minuscule drop in the ocean compared to the daily circulation of the S*n or the Daily Mail).

There is a huge difference between being misinformed, and the sheer intellectual laziness of choosing to completely ignore the information you've been presented with, yet trying to form a counter-argument anyway.


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