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 matt_himself  Matataland 10 Jul 17 5.16pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
I think Johnson is viewed far more favourably amongst the non political public than you think. As for another Cameron. Well I know I wouldn't vote for him. I never voted for Cameron....I couldn't bring myself to do it. Likewise. Davis is a busted flush.
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 10 Jul 17 5.21pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
I think Johnson is viewed far more favourably amongst the non political public than you think. As for another Cameron. Well I know I wouldn't vote for him. I never voted for Cameron....I couldn't bring myself to do it. I think he used to be, I'm not sure how well he'd go down, when all the opposition has to do is raise the spectre of 350m a week to the NHS. He's also likely to have a few scandals in the closet (it was interesting how quickly he was out of the race when Cameron went - When he really did stand a good chance of winning). Plus I don't think he'll be getting back on HIGNFY etc which is where he built that capital.
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| Sportyteacher London 10 Jul 17 5.25pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
I think Johnson is viewed far more favourably amongst the non political public than you think. As for another Cameron. Well I know I wouldn't vote for him. I never voted for Cameron....I couldn't bring myself to do it. That's a huge worry if the likes of Boris 'Cad' Johnson is viewed more favourably amongst the non political public. Even Boris' Mrs has to keep a tight leash on him:
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| Stirlingsays 10 Jul 17 5.26pm |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
I think he used to be, I'm not sure how well he'd go down, when all the opposition has to do is raise the spectre of 350m a week to the NHS. He's also likely to have a few scandals in the closet (it was interesting how quickly he was out of the race when Cameron went - When he really did stand a good chance of winning). Plus I don't think he'll be getting back on HIGNFY etc which is where he built that capital. Those who have pointed at and made a big deal about the 350 million a week have lied and spun just as much as that message. Besides Johnson is like Trump and to an extent Corbyn.....He's popular, so attacks on his personality just backfire. All he needs to do is crack a joke and be likeable and that's all that's required......I mean this has been happening for decades....Reagan, Blair, Trump, Trudeau.....Winning elections isn't about what the serious think.....They rarely change their minds on who to vote for. It's the 'don't knows'....you know.
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| Stirlingsays 10 Jul 17 5.31pm |
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Originally posted by Sportyteacher
That's a huge worry if the likes of Boris 'Cad' Johnson is viewed more favourably amongst the non political public. Even Boris' Mrs has to keep a tight leash on him: Ha...yeah good old Boris. All the feminists...both male and female vote Labour anyway. Trump was grabbing woman by 'pussies' and loads of women still voted for him....I think all that kind of attack backfires against 'populist' politicians. Edited by Stirlingsays (10 Jul 2017 5.31pm)
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| Stirlingsays 10 Jul 17 5.33pm |
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Originally posted by matt_himself
Likewise. Davis is a busted flush. I'm a big fan of Davies but I think his time for PM has been and gone. He's doing a far more important job right now.
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 10 Jul 17 5.40pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Those who have pointed at and made a big deal about the 350 million a week have lied and spun just as much as that message. Yeah but when you lose, no one cares. When you win, everyone pays attention. It doesn't matter how much everyone else might have lied, when you get caught out and are front and centre. Its like Gummer and that picture of him feeding his daughter a burger - You just end up being forever linked to the image and become a liability - irrespective of your record, past and future.
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palace_in_frogland  In a broken dream 10 Jul 17 5.44pm |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
Johnson is a dodgy option I think for the conservatives - that Brexit Bus fiasco burned a lot of his credibility, even among people who voted for Brexit. I think he'd be a bit of a risk among the swing voters and the Remain Conservatives. Problem is, they need another Cameron (someone with charisma, a bit on the liberal side of Conservatism). Also I don't think BJ would go down too well with the Tory 'strong brexits' after his 'keep freedom of movement etc'. A BJ always goes down well, in my estimation.
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 10 Jul 17 5.44pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Ha...yeah good old Boris. All the feminists...both male and female vote Labour anyway. Trump was grabbing woman by 'pussies' and loads of women still voted for him....I think all that kind of attack backfires against 'populist' politicians. Edited by Stirlingsays (10 Jul 2017 5.31pm) Most feminists I've known tend to vote Liberal or Green. Corbyn might be the only Labour leader I've known of to be popular with feminists. It didn't hurt Ashdown either as much as expected - People aren't so prudish these days, and you can get away with a lot more. That said, in the US, people do tend to be somewhat more entrenched in who'll they'll vote for (Republican or Democrat). I suspect Ted Bundy could probably get a 30% vote in a US General Election, regardless of whether he was the democrat or republican candidate.
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 10 Jul 17 5.46pm |
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Originally posted by palace_in_frogland
A BJ always goes down well, in my estimation. Depends, but in politics its us that have to swallow the load....
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| Stirlingsays 10 Jul 17 6.34pm |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
Yeah but when you lose, no one cares. When you win, everyone pays attention. It doesn't matter how much everyone else might have lied, when you get caught out and are front and centre. Its like Gummer and that picture of him feeding his daughter a burger - You just end up being forever linked to the image and become a liability - irrespective of your record, past and future. Gummer wasn't popular. I guess we will all find out if Johnson is elected leader. I doubt he will be....just going on how 'remain' the Tory parliamentary party is....The Tories don't really give a monkey's about their grassroots most of the time.
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| serial thriller The Promised Land 10 Jul 17 6.35pm |
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The Tories, historically, have been one of the most macchiavalian, conniving and scheming groups of people this country has seen. Look at the last leadership election: the superficial unity Cameron had instilled went out the window, and everyone and their dog had a go at backstabbing and clambering for the top job. Yet now, when there is an open shot for any of the top dogs to overthrow May, no one seems to want it. Why? Because the Tories are going nowhere. We have a f*cking shambolic Brexit path round the corner, which will almost definitely lead to a huge recession, and the traditional formula for winning for the Tories: massive private donations, relentlessly supportive media, has disappeared. I don't think Rees Mogg or Johnson are particularly intelligent, or apt politicians, but even they probably have the sense to realise that taking the top job now, you're on a hiding to nothing. It is funny though - a party seen as out of touch now have two Etonians vying it out for the top job!
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