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View Wisbech Eagle's Profile Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 17 Jul 19 11.48am Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

I politely ask you to stop replying to me.

Don't want replies? Don't read the replies!

They aren't for you!

They are for others so that they can be exposed to the counter arguments. I long gave up hoping that anything I say will ever find a home in your brain.

As I cannot imagine you accepting being silenced, no matter how politely it is requested, you can be quite certain that I won't either.

So you can continue to waste time and effort, boring the pants of people in the process, if you choose to keep repeating a request that has been refused, but it won't make any difference.

As for me, I will now simply ignore them.

 


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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Don't want replies? Don't read the replies!

They aren't for you!

They are for others so that they can be exposed to the counter arguments. I long gave up hoping that anything I say will ever find a home in your brain.

As I cannot imagine you accepting being silenced, no matter how politely it is requested, you can be quite certain that I won't either.

So you can continue to waste time and effort, boring the pants of people in the process, if you choose to keep repeating a request that has been refused, but it won't make any difference.

As for me, I will now simply ignore them.

I politely ask you to stop replying to me.

 


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View Penge Eagle's Profile Penge Eagle Flag Beckenham 17 Jul 19 11.59am Send a Private Message to Penge Eagle Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Penge Eagle as a friend

This all a ploy by Trump as Tim Pool explains: 'Leftist Media Think They Exposed Trump But STILL Get played For Fools' [Link]

 

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View Hrolf The Ganger's Profile Hrolf The Ganger Flag 17 Jul 19 12.08pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

They may not hold allegiances to Trump’s America, but I see no proof they don’t have allegiance to the society.

It’s the same way a lot of Brexiteers imply their style of nationalism is the only way to be proud of Britain - I’m immensely patriotic, but I don’t align with the same style of nationalism nor ultimately the same politics.

These women clearly have different views on what is right for society, and you can contest those fairly and at length, but I see nothing to suggest it’s a lack of allegiance which is the difference here.. I think that’s quite watery.

I think that the first allegiance people have is to themselves and their family. Identity is now used as a means of serving one's self.

The trouble is that the only group that cannot use this approach is the White majority. They need to defend their interests just as much as anyone. Trump has been elected as a result of identity politics.

 

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View dannyboy1978's Profile dannyboy1978 Flag 17 Jul 19 12.34pm Send a Private Message to dannyboy1978 Add dannyboy1978 as a friend

Why is everyone particaly the left missing the "Then come back and show us how it's done" part of his comment.
The word come back is as important as any other part of the tweet.
I guess it doesn't fit with the left's narrative

 

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View EverybodyDannsNow's Profile EverybodyDannsNow Flag SE19 17 Jul 19 12.51pm Send a Private Message to EverybodyDannsNow Add EverybodyDannsNow as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Don't yea just love socially incohesive societies.....let's leave our personal stances on nationalism aside for a moment to focus on the mindsets here.

I kind of think you summed it up in your first sentence. These are alligiances to two different forms of societies.

Trump is saying, 'if you don't like this society....as in the 'status quo'...the 'Anglo Saxon' model as he sees it....then leave'.

Where as the Squad want to change the society and take over....and indeed demographic change means that soon it will be theirs rather than his.

But in the short term, the 'Squad' are pretty unpopular to the current majority....so he wins by highlighting the differences in their allegiance to a different type of society.

Essentially it's the backdrop to what I've been saying for months and it's having birthing pains with the 'boomers' like Trump......but they can't quite bring themselves to change from civic nationalism

Edited by Stirlingsays (17 Jul 2019 11.42am)

I actually quite like your Anglo-Saxon explanation, but I think you’re giving Trump too much credit - I think that’s far more nuanced than what he meant. Also, as has been pointed out, would he use the same response if a white congressman was against the status quo... I very much doubt it.

 

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"I politely ask you to stop replying to me"

This is NOT a reply to Stirlingsays. This is for everyone else.

This is a forum for members of the Hol. It isn't a private email account or even the Hol private messages box. No one member has control over the posts here.

Posters post comments. They make claims and assertions. Explain their theories. Others may disagree and decide to comment. Both are fully entitled to do so.

Those who choose to respond do so not to the original poster, but to the post. It's for members to read, if they wish to. Those who don't want to read, don't have to.

They have just as much freedom to ignore any post as any poster has in posting one.

As some posters have frequently complained that freedom of expression is under threat these days it is pretty ironic when this is attempted here.

Just imagine if I requested all my many detractors to stop posting replies so that my words could stand unchallenged. I don't want that, and I trust no-one else wants it either.

 


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View Wisbech Eagle's Profile Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 17 Jul 19 1.10pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by dannyboy1978

Why is everyone particaly the left missing the "Then come back and show us how it's done" part of his comment.
The word come back is as important as any other part of the tweet.
I guess it doesn't fit with the left's narrative

Because the inference was that they had more in common with the "s***hole" countries that their forefathers came from, than the USA, where they are now citizens. And elected Congresswomen.

The suggestion was that they aren't really Americans so "go home" and sort out "your" mess before you tell "us" what to do.

It's simple divisiveness. It has nothing to do with left, or traditional right politics.

It smacks of ethnic cleansing. Of the enemy within.

Where have we heard these type of sentiments before?

Should we approve of them raising their head again?

I would love some of the native Americans to start to tell people like Trump to "go home".

 


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View Hrolf The Ganger's Profile Hrolf The Ganger Flag 17 Jul 19 1.47pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

I actually quite like your Anglo-Saxon explanation, but I think you’re giving Trump too much credit - I think that’s far more nuanced than what he meant. Also, as has been pointed out, would he use the same response if a white congressman was against the status quo... I very much doubt it.

That is becoming a lame argument. It just so happens that the people who make the most noise about injustice always seem to be anything but White.
That is circumstantial and should not allow anyone an advantage or special treatment.

How many White immigrants or their offspring do you hear complaining that America has been bad to them?

We give Black people a hearing because they were disadvantaged by slavery. That is now in the past.
How much longer do you think the rest of us should carry the can for it?

 

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View DanH's Profile DanH Flag SW2 17 Jul 19 2.16pm Send a Private Message to DanH Add DanH as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle


"I politely ask you to stop replying to me"

This is NOT a reply to Stirlingsays. This is for everyone else.

This is a forum for members of the Hol. It isn't a private email account or even the Hol private messages box. No one member has control over the posts here.

Posters post comments. They make claims and assertions. Explain their theories. Others may disagree and decide to comment. Both are fully entitled to do so.

Those who choose to respond do so not to the original poster, but to the post. It's for members to read, if they wish to. Those who don't want to read, don't have to.

They have just as much freedom to ignore any post as any poster has in posting one.

As some posters have frequently complained that freedom of expression is under threat these days it is pretty ironic when this is attempted here.

Just imagine if I requested all my many detractors to stop posting replies so that my words could stand unchallenged. I don't want that, and I trust no-one else wants it either.

I reckon he used to pick up his football and go home when he was losing a game of football in the park as a kid.

 

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View EverybodyDannsNow's Profile EverybodyDannsNow Flag SE19 17 Jul 19 2.20pm Send a Private Message to EverybodyDannsNow Add EverybodyDannsNow as a friend

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

That is becoming a lame argument. It just so happens that the people who make the most noise about injustice always seem to be anything but White.
That is circumstantial and should not allow anyone an advantage or special treatment.

How many White immigrants or their offspring do you hear complaining that America has been bad to them?

We give Black people a hearing because they were disadvantaged by slavery. That is now in the past.
How much longer do you think the rest of us should carry the can for it?

In a discussion where it’s been claimed that Trump was referring to ‘allegiances to a different type of society’ rather than race, it’s entirely relevant to highlight that I don’t expect he would say the same thing to a white man who held allegiance to a different type of society - it’s an entirely valid point.

I don’t really want to get drawn into a discussion on wider societal issues around race, but I find the idea that minorities treatment in America is circumstantial a very difficult one to agree with.

 

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View ASCPFC's Profile ASCPFC Flag Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 17 Jul 19 2.23pm Send a Private Message to ASCPFC Add ASCPFC as a friend

Originally posted by DanH

I reckon he used to pick up his football and go home when he was losing a game of football in the park as a kid.

I just get the feeling that football was not quite his game. I think he may have played American Football in college but I could be wrong. I also don't quite see him going down the park as a kid. What do billionaires do? I have no clue. I guess get the servants to play with the kids, have private coaches at tennis or golf etc. Wouldn't want the kids to get dirty.
I guess we have all read the book about how he cheats at golf as he interests us so much. Or perhaps not.

 


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