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 Stirlingsays  19 Jul 19 1.46pm |
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GDP Ranked by Country 2019 Here is a list of the top ten countries with the highest GDP: United States (GDP: ,410,230) If you rank by per capita like some disingenerous people try to sell you then you find out the amusing detail that Ireland is around the sixth richest country in the world and two places above the US. Anyone been to Ireland recently and thought that? Edited by Stirlingsays (19 Jul 2019 1.51pm)
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 19 Jul 19 2.23pm |
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So once again we have claims being made that don't stand up. Let me quote from the report I referenced:- "The GDP value per capita of a country is an excellent way of measuring the wealth of a country because it takes into account the standard of living. By taking the GDP of a country and comparing it to the GDP of another country, you'll be able to accurately determine which country is richer than another, with a few other factors being taken into consideration as well." That makes perfect sense. People are not wealthy because of the size of a country's population or it's economy. What matters is their individual standard of living. By simple size of economy China is the second biggest, but per capita doesn't feature in the top 55. Would you think yourself rich just because there are a lot of you? Overall economic power might bring with it political clout but it is not an accurate measure of how rich a country is. Therefore the UK is richer than Japan and there is nothing disingenuous about stating that truth.
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| Stirlingsays 19 Jul 19 2.28pm |
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If someone wants to know who the richest countries are in the world they can judge between the two perspectives given.....Personally I say look up who has been to the moon....it's 4 of the top 5 in some technological capacity...and obviously only the US in human form. I'm still waiting for the Irish Moon landing myself....as we are being told it's richer than the US. I've heard that it's in the planning but they are just looking around for the right type of potatoes to plant.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 19 Jul 19 3.02pm |
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Chalk and cheese should never be confused. Maybe some still think that the moon is made of cheese. I know it's not made of either. Technological achievements are a mark of the overall size of an economy and it's collective strength. It isn't though a measure of richness. You can raise a lot of tax from a lot of poor people but not so much from a small number of rich people. The true measure of how rich a country is depends upon the standard of living achieved on average by it's people. So ask yourself. Would you feel richer if you were a Chinese or a Luxembourger?
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| Stirlingsays 19 Jul 19 3.29pm |
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Wealth is of little importance without power. These are clearly nonsense comparisons. China compared to Luxembourg is a joke. Luxembourg relies upon the good graces of those around it.....China could crush it like a plastic cup. Standard of living comparisons are a valid index if someone is looking at very limiting criteria. However, anyone putting forward stats that suggest the idea that Ireland is richer than the US is clearly a slice short of a loaf....disingenuous people are happy for arguments to get lost in the weeds. My statement was thus: 'Japan are a richer country than us and also an island and has avoided all of this. Anyone telling you this was unavoidable is also selling you a pup.' Japan is a richer country to us by GDP and has extremely impressive infrastructure, technology and age expectancy. It has avoided selling its Japanese heritage away, does not pander to unsatisfied internal immigrant populations or any enabling 'useful idiots' calling it racist and happily trades with the world and maintains very friendly and integrated alliances with the west and US. In a hundred years Japan will still be Japanese.....and that's what the Japanese people want and their ruling classes haven't betrayed them for neo liberalism. As I stated, anyone telling you that what has happened was unavoidable and that there is no other way is a liar as real world examples exist. Our society has been downgraded by individuals who aren't worth the blood our forefathers gave to hand it down to us.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 19 Jul 19 6.16pm |
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No-one has "sold" our heritage away. To continually offer that slur as a justification for making assertions is what is disingenuous. Japan and the UK have simply had different histories which have resulted in a different set of current circumstances. There has been no deliberate effort by the one to ensure we ended up with a higher number of immigration than the other. It just is. Those who believe that the politicians somehow have their hands on levers which can control these kind of things give them far too much credit. Events unfold in their time and for their time. No-one possesses a crystal ball sufficiently powerful to change the course of history. Not even Uncle Enoch. Making comparisons is pointless unless the circumstances are near enough identical for them to be valid. Wealth without power is certainly ineffective on the world stage, but we aren't considering that. Chucking mud at Ireland simply because it happens to have a relatively small population fails to recognise that it's people, on average, have a higher income than most others and that's what matters to them as individuals. They also happen to have quite a significant amount of influence, certainly at the moment in the EU over Brexit. So Japan hasn't "avoided" all of this. Whatever "this" might be. It is simply different. They are where they are and we are where we are. Now we must deal with the reality and get on with handling it. Not just moaning and groaning without any kind of realistic plan to find a way through any current difficulties. We have always been able to overcome this kind of thing and can do so again. It just needs time, effort, planning and determination. It doesn't need wallowing in a blame game which achieves nothing other than wasting time. Even if the analysis was right, which I don't believe it to be, constant negativity is no answer.
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| Hrolf The Ganger 19 Jul 19 9.40pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
If you think that we alone could make decisions which would have avoided globalisation then you are living in cloud cuckoo land. Managing the changes is, to some limited degree, possible but only doing so with the benefit of hindsight is again living in cloud cuckoo land. The evolution of political systems and the world economic system is an inevitability. Denying it is as foolish as denying climate change. Of course not every change is for the better for everyone. That's why we need to try to manage it so we ameliorate the impact on those most badly affected. That's not just accepting the changes, it's recognising their inevitability, and overall benefits, whilst seeking to protect those negatively affected. Our politicians are NOT puppets complicit in some scheme to ruin our country and culture, and certainly not for any short term advantages. They are trying to react to the fast changing conditions of a global economy in the best way they can. Thinking you can turn the clock back and recreate times now long gone is simply foolish. Us thinking that just because we are still a relatively large economy that we are better outside a major economic bloc like the EU is really daft thinking. We need to be on the inside leading it's direction, and not a spectator watching it. No hindsight was required. All of our current immigration woes were easily predictable but the short sighted self interested politicians went ahead anyway.
Those times 'long gone' largely ended with the Blair government.
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Teddy Eagle  19 Jul 19 10.56pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
No-one has "sold" our heritage away. To continually offer that slur as a justification for making assertions is what is disingenuous. Japan and the UK have simply had different histories which have resulted in a different set of current circumstances. There has been no deliberate effort by the one to ensure we ended up with a higher number of immigration than the other. It just is. Those who believe that the politicians somehow have their hands on levers which can control these kind of things give them far too much credit. Events unfold in their time and for their time. No-one possesses a crystal ball sufficiently powerful to change the course of history. Not even Uncle Enoch. Making comparisons is pointless unless the circumstances are near enough identical for them to be valid. Wealth without power is certainly ineffective on the world stage, but we aren't considering that. Chucking mud at Ireland simply because it happens to have a relatively small population fails to recognise that it's people, on average, have a higher income than most others and that's what matters to them as individuals. They also happen to have quite a significant amount of influence, certainly at the moment in the EU over Brexit. So Japan hasn't "avoided" all of this. Whatever "this" might be. It is simply different. They are where they are and we are where we are. Now we must deal with the reality and get on with handling it. Not just moaning and groaning without any kind of realistic plan to find a way through any current difficulties. We have always been able to overcome this kind of thing and can do so again. It just needs time, effort, planning and determination. It doesn't need wallowing in a blame game which achieves nothing other than wasting time. Even if the analysis was right, which I don't believe it to be, constant negativity is no answer. According to the UN World Urbanization Prospects the population of London has grown by 515,149 since 2015 - what are the advantages as you see them?
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 19 Jul 19 11.07pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
No hindsight was required. All of our current immigration woes were easily predictable but the short sighted self interested politicians went ahead anyway.
Those times 'long gone' largely ended with the Blair government.
There really aren't the immigration "woes" that so many here get their knickers in a twist over. They exist only in the minds of a few most directly affected and in some population pockets. That some thought they knew better some years ago and are chortling with indignation now means nothing. They neither had the responsibility then to try to see the big picture nor do they have any idea what things would actually be like if we had failed to bring in needed labour. One of my businesses would have had to have been shut down had I not been able to recruit from overseas. The UK labour was not available. How would that have benefited anyone, including all the other employees?
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| Stirlingsays 19 Jul 19 11.09pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
No hindsight was required. All of our current immigration woes were easily predictable but the short sighted self interested politicians went ahead anyway.
Those times 'long gone' largely ended with the Blair government. Yep, 'alternative histories' are created by decisions made by politicians.....it gets presented as inevitable yet even now we have European countries who are refusing to play ball on immigration they don't want.....and have zero deaths from religious terrorists and don't have to pander to foreign communities.
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| Teddy Eagle 19 Jul 19 11.29pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
There really aren't the immigration "woes" that so many here get their knickers in a twist over. They exist only in the minds of a few most directly affected and in some population pockets. That some thought they knew better some years ago and are chortling with indignation now means nothing. They neither had the responsibility then to try to see the big picture nor do they have any idea what things would actually be like if we had failed to bring in needed labour. One of my businesses would have had to have been shut down had I not been able to recruit from overseas. The UK labour was not available. How would that have benefited anyone, including all the other employees? Mandelson said in 2013 that Labour sent out search parties to find immigrants to come to Britain. In line with former Labour advisor Andrew Neather who said the policy was designed to “rub the rights nose in diversity”. No self interest?
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| Stirlingsays 20 Jul 19 12.10am |
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