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BlueJay  UK 27 May 20 1.02pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Especially if a police officer has their knee forced down upon your neck when you're already handcuffed. Where situations like that occur, then it is very much a myth, yes.
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 Badger11  Beckenham 27 May 20 1.16pm |
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Originally posted by BlueJay
Especially if a police officer has their knee forced down upon your neck when you're already handcuffed. Where situations like that occur, then it is very much a myth, yes. Most local police forces in America are badly paid and badly trained. They are nowhere near the quality of our much criticised police force. I doubt putting your knee on someone's neck is in any police training manual. Still you pay peanuts....
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| BlueJay UK 27 May 20 1.21pm |
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Originally posted by Badger11
Most local police forces in America are badly paid and badly trained. They are nowhere near the quality of our much criticised police force. I doubt putting your knee on someone's neck is in any police training manual. Still you pay peanuts.... Yes, it would appear in the case of this cop, that if you pay peanuts you get a murderer. That if you're the wrong sort of person, coming across a sadist like this, you're more likely to be handed The American Nightmare. Edited by BlueJay (27 May 2020 1.24pm)
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| Penge Eagle Beckenham 27 May 20 1.27pm |
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Nobody REALLY knows what goes on in edited clips of incidents like this, so we can never judge as we weren't there. Investigations do take place afterwards and bad cops are jailed. We're less than six months away from the US election and it's about this time that CNN, MSNBC et al start to get footage of black men being shot at by police to get the black base riled up to vote Democrat. I really noticed it when I moved to the US in 2016. You'll start to see much more of this in the lead-up till November... Funny how it's been pretty quiet since the last election till very recently... Funny how they never show footage of whites getting the same treatment? Twice as many whites get shot and killed by cops each year (2017, 2018). Edited by Penge Eagle (27 May 2020 1.40pm)
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| BlueJay UK 27 May 20 2.21pm |
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Originally posted by Penge Eagle
We're less than six months away from the US election and it's about this time that CNN, MSNBC et al start to get footage of black men being shot at by police to get the black base riled up to vote Democrat. I really noticed it when I moved to the US in 2016. You'll start to see much more of this in the lead-up till November... Funny how it's been pretty quiet since the last election till very recently... Funny how they never show footage of whites getting the same treatment? Twice as many whites get shot and killed by cops each year (2017, 201 Edited by Penge Eagle (27 May 2020 1.29pm) Sorry I've not seen any shooting footage, but the footage highlighted of someone having their life snuffed out while expressing that they are dying and can't breathe, would've gone viral regardless of race or elections because it's an objectively very disturbing incident. So with this I'm more interested in justice for murder on film, than unlikely ideas about its release. Though I appreciate that you may have not even been talking about this video anyway and were making a wider point. As for shootings, in many situations police are perfectly justified in using their weapons, for their own protection and others, but there are incidents like this and others for which there is simply no excuse. For the small percentage of bad cops there are, with some it's patently all about race, but no doubt others are equal opportunity sadists. The death of Daniel Shaver for instance, where he was shot and killed while obeying instructions for minutes on end is another disgusting incident that received widespread attention.
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. | BlueJay UK 27 May 20 2.42pm |
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Originally posted by Penge Eagle
Nobody REALLY knows what goes on in edited clips of incidents like this, so we can never judge as we weren't there. Investigations do take place afterwards and bad cops are jailed. Edited by Penge Eagle (27 May 2020 1.40pm) He was recorded for ten minutes, cuffed, not moving, saying he couldn't breathe and gradually dying on film. This wasn't some 30 second edited clip. How he was restrained and what it led to are clear to see, both to bystanders stating it in the video and to those who watch it back now [Link] Acknowledging the reality of someone being treated like an animal is more important than how to turn the page on it because of how it might be perceived politically. As for bad cops being jailed, that's a coin toss, Daniel Shavers killer cop was acquitted for instance. A jury system is the best we have, but some undoubtedly get extreme benefit of the doubt applied and knowing that may well feed into their own, and others, behaviour.
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| Penge Eagle Beckenham 27 May 20 2.48pm |
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Originally posted by BlueJay
Sorry I've not seen any shooting footage, but the footage highlighted of someone having their life snuffed out while expressing that they are dying and can't breathe, would've gone viral regardless of race or elections because it's an objectively very disturbing incident. So with this I'm more interested in justice for murder on film, than unlikely ideas about its release. Though I appreciate that you may have not even been talking about this video anyway and were making a wider point. As for shootings, in many situations police are perfectly justified in using their weapons, for their own protection and others, but there are incidents like this and others for which there is simply no excuse. For the small percentage of bad cops there are, with some it's patently all about race, but no doubt others are equal opportunity sadists. The death of Daniel Shaver for instance, where he was shot and killed while obeying instructions for minutes on end is another disgusting incident that received widespread attention. Yep, a wider point. You'll see it all play out... If for example, the guy had moments earlier tried to killed the cop's colleague, how else do you react in the heat of the moment? It's very complicated. For people to act like judge and jury from the comfort of our armchairs without knowing the full evidence is ridiculous. The media love a race storm and the public lap it up. The narrative from the left that most or all cops operate as racist hit squads is a LIE. Edited by Penge Eagle (27 May 2020 2.55pm)
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| BlueJay UK 27 May 20 2.56pm |
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Originally posted by Penge Eagle
Yep, a wider point. You'll see it all play out... If for example, the guy had moments earlier tried to killed the cop's colleague, how else do you react in the heat of the moment? It's very complicated. For people to act like judge and jury from the comfort of our armchairs without knowing the full evidence is ridiculous. The media love a race storm and the public lap it up. Edited by Penge Eagle (27 May 2020 2.49pm) I don't perceive placing your knee on someones neck for ten minutes while they are cuffed, no threat, and telling you that they are dying, to be heat of the moment behaviour. Scenarios of why he may have acted this way towards an unarmed man are somewhat undermined by what he can actually be seen to be doing and the fact that they were fired. Hopefully if it goes to court, the full details of the matter can all be ascertained and laid out, and a just verdict delivered.
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| cryrst The garden of England 27 May 20 4.18pm |
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Originally posted by BlueJay
I don't perceive placing your knee on someones neck for ten minutes while they are cuffed, no threat, and telling you that they are dying, to be heat of the moment behaviour. Scenarios of why he may have acted this way towards an unarmed man are somewhat undermined by what he can actually be seen to be doing and the fact that they were fired. Hopefully if it goes to court, the full details of the matter can all be ascertained and laid out, and a just verdict delivered.
Which will be accepted by all then, whichever the outcome.
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| BlueJay UK 27 May 20 5.09pm |
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Originally posted by cryrst
Which will be accepted by all then, whichever the outcome. Most likely not, but if you were treated this way on film I'd be outraged at that too. Politicisation is from all sides and obscures what can be seen and understood with the naked eye. Basic compassion is all that needs to be engaged to know there is something very wrong with what happened here. To add context, the guy was even in handcuffs for several minutes before he was pinned to the ground and was clearly cooperating at that time. It's reasonable to say that all conceivable versions of what happened next don't involve him doing anything that warrants his death.
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| Stirlingsays 27 May 20 5.19pm |
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Originally posted by BlueJay
Especially if a police officer has their knee forced down upon your neck when you're already handcuffed. Where situations like that occur, then it is very much a myth, yes.
The motivations are purely political. However, Police should be trained and competent in physical confrontations so if there is Police negligence that has led to death then the appropriate actions should be taken. Edited by Stirlingsays (27 May 2020 5.23pm)
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| Cpfc1861 27 May 20 6.26pm |
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Originally posted by BlueJay
Most likely not, but if you were treated this way on film I'd be outraged at that too. Politicisation is from all sides and obscures what can be seen and understood with the naked eye. Basic compassion is all that needs to be engaged to know there is something very wrong with what happened here. To add context, the guy was even in handcuffs for several minutes before he was pinned to the ground and was clearly cooperating at that time. It's reasonable to say that all conceivable versions of what happened next don't involve him doing anything that warrants his death.
the truth is the American old bill are constantly jumpy because every suspect is probably armed puts the fear of god into them it's the gun living culture that dont help many people carry a sandwich in foil and get shot over there just in case it's a gun. This is obviously different circumstances and was avoidable.
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