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View Ray in Houston's Profile Ray in Houston Flag Houston 24 Jul 17 5.44pm Send a Private Message to Ray in Houston Add Ray in Houston as a friend

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

This is what concerns me most about Trump, is how its OK for the FBI to be open about Investigating Clinton during the election, and then cry bias when the same thing is happening to him.

He milked that for all it was worth, but can't stand the heat when its applied to him (on issues that are far more significant and potentially damning than an email server).

I think its just a case of what they can prove about links with Russia, who they can prove them against and how far the FBI are willing to go up the 'chain'.

I don't think its really about whether Russians hacked the election, that's the false flag really - The question really is the extent of links between the Trump election campaign and Russian intelligence - and how deceptive they've proven to be time and time again.

Bear in mind that the Republicans were pushing to impeach Clinton (and rightly so) for lying under oath about getting a blow job.

The thing about the Russian election activity is that it was apparently effective. No, the haven't been found to have actively flipped a vote, but so much of the anti-Clinton / pro-Trump noise around the election was "fake news" that was spread but bots and operators specifically to sway voters in one direction only. It has been found that the Russians targeted the social media pages of specific individuals in specific voting districts in order to influence their vote.

So, no, they didn't reach into the voting machines and change the result. But they did reach into peoples' heads to achieve the same thing.

Mueller has been staffing his team with investigators and prosecutors who collectively have experience in money laundering and RICO cases. It's so obvious about where this investigation is going; it's following the money that has flowed into Trump's back pocket via real estate deals transacted with Russians. Like this one: [Link]

Trump's business dealings have been dirty as s*** for years. He is now suffering one of the consequences of becoming President; that being the the giant spotlight hat gets shone on your entire existence. As one CIA operative commented, if this runs its course, "he'll die in jail."

 


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wordup Flag 24 Jul 17 7.35pm

Originally posted by Ray in Houston

The US House and Senate agree that Russia interfered in the US election, and have passed sweeping sanctions against Russia as punishment. It's not really in dispute; the Senate vote, for example, was 97-2. [Link]

The Trump administration had been actively trying to derail or water down these sanctions. The response by Congress was to put provisions in the bill that severely limited the President's ability to soften or eliminate such sanctions. It's almost as if they don't trust Trump when it comes to matters involving Russia...

Edited by Ray in Houston (24 Jul 2017 4.02pm)

Trump is yet to sign or veto the bill. He's between a rock and a hard place with this one.

 

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View Ray in Houston's Profile Ray in Houston Flag Houston 24 Jul 17 8.45pm Send a Private Message to Ray in Houston Add Ray in Houston as a friend

Originally posted by wordup

Trump is yet to sign or veto the bill. He's between a rock and a hard place with this one.

He'll veto it because: (a) it's what his boss wants; and (b) because it puts all the pressure back on Congressional Republicans to grow a pair and overturn his veto.

There'll be a publicity ding from such a veto, but Trump doesn't worry about that because he could - as he famously said - shoot someone on 5th Avenue and his poll ratings would go up (with his base). However, the Congressional Republicans have to worry about a backlash from the base to overturn Trump, so I'd expect those invertebrates to collapse and decline to overturn the veto.

As for the rest of us outside of Trump's base, we already know that Putin is pulling his strings. What we will see though, to our horror, is that Trump will have completely subjugated to his (Putin's) will the only people in a position to do anything about it before November 2018.

Edited by Ray in Houston (24 Jul 2017 8.45pm)

 


We don't do possession; we do defense and attack. Everything else is just wa**ing with a football.

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wordup Flag 24 Jul 17 9.19pm

Originally posted by Ray in Houston

He'll veto it because: it's what his boss wants; and because it puts all the pressure back on Congressional Republicans to grow a pair and overturn his veto.

There'll be a publicity ding from such a veto, but Trump doesn't worry about that because he could - as he famously said - shoot someone on 5th Avenue and his poll ratings would go up (with his base). However, the Congressional Republicans have to worry about a backlash from the base to overturn Trump, so I'd expect those invertebrates to collapse and decline to overturn the veto.

As for the rest of us outside of Trump's base, we already know that Putin is pulling his strings. What we will see though, to our horror, is that Trump will have completely subjugated to his (Putin's) will the only people in a position to do anything about it before November 2018.

Edited by Ray in Houston (24 Jul 2017 8.45pm)

Interesting thoughts. Recess is soon so he may attempt to stall signing and hope he kick it into the long grass for a time. All things considered actually vetoing this might be a step too far even for him. That said Rex 'Russian Order of Friendship' Tillerson and Exxon are notorious for ignoring Russian sanctions anyway.

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Did you have a problem with the quite blaitant media agenda against Corbyn during the election campaign over here or did you miss that one?

 


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Originally posted by Ray in Houston

He'll veto it because: it's what his boss wants; and because it puts all the pressure back on Congressional Republicans to grow a pair and overturn his veto.

There'll be a publicity ding from such a veto, but Trump doesn't worry about that because he could - as he famously said - shoot someone on 5th Avenue and his poll ratings would go up (with his base). However, the Congressional Republicans have to worry about a backlash from the base to overturn Trump, so I'd expect those invertebrates to collapse and decline to overturn the veto.

As for the rest of us outside of Trump's base, we already know that Putin is pulling his strings. What we will see though, to our horror, is that Trump will have completely subjugated to his (Putin's) will the only people in a position to do anything about it before November 2018.

Edited by Ray in Houston (24 Jul 2017 8.45pm)

I can see from your comments regarding Trump that you are very set against him. I don't think you are fair in the extent of your criticisms at all. Accusations are fine...but that is all they are without evidence.

While I don't think it's good that you do this....I don't really have an issue with it as such as you aren't in the media. I see the sense in being against plenty of Trump's policies....But I don't see the sense in the level of open hostility I see.

If you were in the media I think you would be apart of the problem America is ultimately faced with now.

Real violence is a very real possibility in America. The level of division and lack of compromise between the two ideological camps is getting worse and common sense is becoming like helium.

Edited by Stirlingsays (25 Jul 2017 1.19am)

 


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Originally posted by Ray in Houston

The thing about the Russian election activity is that it was apparently effective. No, the haven't been found to have actively flipped a vote, but so much of the anti-Clinton / pro-Trump noise around the election was "fake news" that was spread but bots and operators specifically to sway voters in one direction only. It has been found that the Russians targeted the social media pages of specific individuals in specific voting districts in order to influence their vote.

So, no, they didn't reach into the voting machines and change the result. But they did reach into peoples' heads to achieve the same thing.

Mueller has been staffing his team with investigators and prosecutors who collectively have experience in money laundering and RICO cases. It's so obvious about where this investigation is going; it's following the money that has flowed into Trump's back pocket via real estate deals transacted with Russians. Like this one: [Link]

Trump's business dealings have been dirty as s*** for years. He is now suffering one of the consequences of becoming President; that being the the giant spotlight hat gets shone on your entire existence. As one CIA operative commented, if this runs its course, "he'll die in jail."

Trump has been investigated on a large scale for a year on this Russia thing and nothing can be directly tied to him. Hell, Trump has actually had investigations into all his business dealings for years.

What I can agree with is that if he were helped by Russia I believe that he would have used that help. But as too what actual effective stuff went on that broke the law......Still nothing...I can't see him being impeached over this....This is a mixture of wish fulfillment and demonisation.....Again, I await for something actually solid.

Just like the attempts over Bill Clinton's impeachment all this smells more of political motivation than any real concern for the health of America.

I think it's far wiser for democrats to sort out an effective leader and campaign for the next election...beat his party in the mid terms and him in an election....If Trump is removed in a manner that looks like the establishment did it.....The response is going to be a sh1tshow.

Edited by Stirlingsays (25 Jul 2017 12.30am)

 


'I can't stand innuendo. If I see one in a script I whip it out immediately.' (Kenneth Williams)

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Originally posted by jamiemartin721

This is what concerns me most about Trump, is how its OK for the FBI to be open about Investigating Clinton during the election, and then cry bias when the same thing is happening to him.

He milked that for all it was worth, but can't stand the heat when its applied to him (on issues that are far more significant and potentially damning than an email server).

I think its just a case of what they can prove about links with Russia, who they can prove them against and how far the FBI are willing to go up the 'chain'.

I don't think its really about whether Russians hacked the election, that's the false flag really - The question really is the extent of links between the Trump election campaign and Russian intelligence - and how deceptive they've proven to be time and time again.

Bear in mind that the Republicans were pushing to impeach Clinton (and rightly so) for lying under oath about getting a blow job.

This.

Everyone knows Trump is a hypocrite...He lies ten ways to breakfast...I think most people know he's actually pretty unsuitable for the position in lots of ways.

Democracy doesn't always work how we would like it too....both parties produced pretty poor offerings.

In lots of ways I think Trump is a distraction....I don't think he's actually that interested in the details of government outside of being the front.

Like everyone he'll be judged ultimately on the economy. Though I will be surprised to see him end the term.....he isn't a young man and I think he'll get bored.

Edited by Stirlingsays (25 Jul 2017 12.42am)

 


'I can't stand innuendo. If I see one in a script I whip it out immediately.' (Kenneth Williams)

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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 25 Jul 17 1.31am

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

This.

Everyone knows Trump is a hypocrite...He lies ten ways to breakfast...I think most people know he's actually pretty unsuitable for the position in lots of ways.

Democracy doesn't always work how we would like it too....both parties produced pretty poor offerings.

In lots of ways I think Trump is a distraction....I don't think he's actually that interested in the details of government outside of being the front.

Like everyone he'll be judged ultimately on the economy. Though I will be surprised to see him end the term.....he isn't a young man and I think he'll get bored.

Edited by Stirlingsays (25 Jul 2017 12.42am)

Disagree. Democrats missed a trick not going for Bernie.

 

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Originally posted by nickgusset

Disagree. Democrats missed a trick not going for Bernie.

Sanders appeal is not far reaching enough especially outside of urban areas.
Bloomberg should of ran as a third party candidate, there was enough support as both Trump & Clinton are as woeful as each other.

 


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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 25 Jul 17 1.46am

Originally posted by Jimenez

Sanders appeal is not far reaching enough especially outside of urban areas.
Bloomberg should of ran as a third party candidate, there was enough support as both Trump & Clinton are as woeful as each other.

Congratulations. You actually responded with something on topic.
Chapeau.

 

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Originally posted by nickgusset

Congratulations. You actually responded with something on topic.
Chapeau.

Nothing wrong with going off topic on my threads Nick....Cheer up! Stick another Bowie track on.

 


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