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View Harpo's Profile Harpo Flag Oxfordshire 25 Jul 17 8.42am Send a Private Message to Harpo Add Harpo as a friend

Is the nation short of chickens or summat?

If we import millions of chickens, we'll need to import tons of eggs.

And then there's the farmers, corn merchants all going out of business.

Not to mention the hard working chicken pluckers!

 

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View matt_himself's Profile matt_himself Flag Matataland 25 Jul 17 8.58am Send a Private Message to matt_himself Add matt_himself as a friend

The Yanks have been doing this for years and due to the multitude of fried chicken eating mo-fo's in that country, whom appear to keel over because of the quantity they are shoving down their cakeholes rather than the quality, this appears to be a non-issue raised by whiny Bremoaners looking to derail the democratic will of the British people.

 


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View Part Time James's Profile Part Time James Flag 25 Jul 17 9.19am Send a Private Message to Part Time James Add Part Time James as a friend

Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

It's not that simple as one of the largest markets in the UK for chicken is in ready meals and the label will just say "Chicken Tikka" or similar and people don't read the small print on the labels now to see what type of chicken is in the meal so they certainly won't in the future.

In addition to American chicken they also stuff their beef cows full of growth hormones too which is something else that I'm not too keen on

I'm not convinced the punter on the street knows the full ins and outs of all the ingredients of a ready meal as it is. I don't for one second believe that the current ready meal market is made up of wholesome fresh ingredients, prime cuts of well treated animals, fairly sourced components and devoid of synthetic flavourings.

Perhaps the answer is to not eat ready meals though. I mean, if one was concerned. If you're happy to trough down any old sh*te then you'll probably be no less bothered about eating a post-Brexit ready meal than you are right now.

 




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View becky's Profile becky Flag over the moon 25 Jul 17 9.25am Send a Private Message to becky Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add becky as a friend

Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

It's not that simple as one of the largest markets in the UK for chicken is in ready meals and the label will just say "Chicken Tikka" or similar and people don't read the small print on the labels now to see what type of chicken is in the meal so they certainly won't in the future.

In addition to American chicken they also stuff their beef cows full of growth hormones too which is something else that I'm not too keen on

If you buy any chicken from a supermarket, other than the very expensive guaranteed organic ones, it will be a six week old chick that has been fed growth hormones to accelerate it's development to that of the 3 month old bird that it looks to be, and frankly, going by the stench from the lorries that transport the chickens from the local poultry plant, I think they'd probably be a lot safer after a chlorine wash!


(I now buy all my chicken from the village butcher, who states where all his meat comes from (by farm name) and has been there himself to check what he's getting! - costs a few pence more per kilo than Tesco, but well worth it in terms of better taste and less waste).

 


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bubble wrap Flag Carparks in South East London 25 Jul 17 9.43am

If it kills harmful bacteria without causing any harm to the consumer then why the hell not. Swimming pools have chemicals in them doesnt stop people getting into them.
If we knew half of what was done to our food before it gets on our table we probably wouldnt eat it.

 

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View Part Time James's Profile Part Time James Flag 25 Jul 17 9.55am Send a Private Message to Part Time James Add Part Time James as a friend

Originally posted by bubble wrap

If it kills harmful bacteria without causing any harm to the consumer then why the hell not. Swimming pools have chemicals in them doesnt stop people getting into them.
If we knew half of what was done to our food before it gets on our table we probably wouldnt eat it.

Exactly. Look at the ingredients on a can of Monster and tell me the people that care about what they consume are in the majority.

I should caveat that I appreciate there are people that do know what they are eating and are well educated enough. I dare say this includes people on this very thread. I just personally think that the demographic of people that do and don't look at (and care about) the ingredients in their food won't change much. I.e.: if you're the sort of person happily wolfing down ready meals right now, then you're probably not the sort of person that cares whether your chicken was washed in chlorine or Head & Shoulders.

 




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View Southampton_Eagle's Profile Southampton_Eagle Flag At the after party 25 Jul 17 10.03am Send a Private Message to Southampton_Eagle Add Southampton_Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by nickgusset

Illegal under EU law but the Liam Fox (how apt) hinted that deregulation post brexit will oil the wheels of a trade deal.

Gove isn't happy about watering down environmental regulations. May has washed her hands of it all (with anti bacterial hand wash no doubt)

American Holers, what does chlorine washed chicken taste like?

What do others think. Are we letting standards slip? Will we undermine our own poultry business? Would you eat chlorine washed chicken?

It's jummy mate. I have a bottle of chlorine in the cupboard as a marinade.

 

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View Rudi Hedman's Profile Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 25 Jul 17 10.16am Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

Originally posted by NickinOX


I have no idea, as my wife normally deep fries it. That tastes great.

The EU's own research shows it is safer as the process massively reduces salmonella compared with the European methods of cold water and air. I suspect that this is as much to do with preserving French farm practices as it does with actual people's health.

My preference would be for clearer labeling, so we could all make informed choices. Mind you that would put costs up, and that would mean food price rises. Fine for me, not great for the less well off.


Most fresh chicken in Britain is British and some of the prepared and preserved rest comes from Thailand I think.

 


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bubble wrap Flag Carparks in South East London 25 Jul 17 10.32am

There is a place in India where the sewage flows and is eaten by prawns that become huge in size and worth quite a bit of money when shipped to the UK.
Nice with garlic and white wine, if you leave one in your mouth long enough you get a slight hint of spice, especially when you leave the prawns s*** sack in.

 

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View Islington Eagle's Profile Islington Eagle Flag North of the River 25 Jul 17 11.22am Send a Private Message to Islington Eagle Add Islington Eagle as a friend

The "free marketeers" like to present the food we eat as a free choice issue. Label it up and then sell it and people can choose. However I think this is extremeley misleading. Obesity and ill health (Type 2 diabetes for instance) is now costing the NHS £6bn per year and this is expected to reach £10bn by 2050.
Food manufacturers are the new cigarette companies, funding scientists to produce misleading papers blaming everyone but themselves for loading food full of Sugar, transfatty acids, corn starch etc. High Fat, nutrient poor foods that are shortening peoples lives and filling up (extra large) beds in hospitals. Farmers have lobbied governments (in Europe and America) and are hugely funded by public subsidy. It is a choice whether we subsidise farmers to produce quality products and manage our rural environment (as has largely been the case in Europe more recently) or subside them to mass produce cheap food with little regard to quality or the environment (as has been the case in the US - but not in every state).
What I believe is that food manufacturers - especially the huge multinationals - do not pay the social cost of the crap they sell - blaming it on consumer choice - whilst all the time blocking clearer labelling, advertising restrictions ~(junk food during kids programming)etc.
In years to come I think we will look back to now and regard some food companies the same way we now look back on cigarette companies, who knowlingly sold cancer causing cigarettes to people whilst doing all they could to hide the true impact of the damage they were doing.
There is a role for government in what people eat. It is not the nanny state as in the end it costs the tax payer when they end up ill. How we do this is not straightforward but everyone needs to bear in mind that the food complanies, farmers and biotech firms (Monsanto etc.) have HUGE lobbying machines in the EU and in the USA, and will fight tooth and nail to protect their profits - public health is not in their interest. Ask yourself why they lobby government??? Why do they need to lobby government if they are doing something that the "free market" needs. POST brexit these lobby firms will be at Westminster and I do not trust Liam Fox to stand up to them. He will trouser as much cash as he can (remember he stole more cash from the taxpayer than anyone else in the MP expenses scandal) and will then end up on the board of all these companies after he leaves parliament - like all these othere politicians.
A FTA between the US and the UK is a huge mismatch in power and I worry that the we will take anything we are offered. We must be super cautious - but I fear the worst. That is why TTIP took years and years to negotitate. Chlorine washed Chicken and Hormone injected beef are just small examples of what corporate america has in store for us. And it is the poor that will suffer (not in the pocket but in health) - as well as, in this case UK farmers and the rural economy - not the well off that can afford the better options. But remember in the end it is the taxpayer that will pay - and the corporations that trouser the profits.

 


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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 25 Jul 17 12.11pm

Originally posted by Islington Eagle

The "free marketeers" like to present the food we eat as a free choice issue. Label it up and then sell it and people can choose. However I think this is extremeley misleading. Obesity and ill health (Type 2 diabetes for instance) is now costing the NHS £6bn per year and this is expected to reach £10bn by 2050.
Food manufacturers are the new cigarette companies, funding scientists to produce misleading papers blaming everyone but themselves for loading food full of Sugar, transfatty acids, corn starch etc. High Fat, nutrient poor foods that are shortening peoples lives and filling up (extra large) beds in hospitals. Farmers have lobbied governments (in Europe and America) and are hugely funded by public subsidy. It is a choice whether we subsidise farmers to produce quality products and manage our rural environment (as has largely been the case in Europe more recently) or subside them to mass produce cheap food with little regard to quality or the environment (as has been the case in the US - but not in every state).
What I believe is that food manufacturers - especially the huge multinationals - do not pay the social cost of the crap they sell - blaming it on consumer choice - whilst all the time blocking clearer labelling, advertising restrictions ~(junk food during kids programming)etc.
In years to come I think we will look back to now and regard some food companies the same way we now look back on cigarette companies, who knowlingly sold cancer causing cigarettes to people whilst doing all they could to hide the true impact of the damage they were doing.
There is a role for government in what people eat. It is not the nanny state as in the end it costs the tax payer when they end up ill. How we do this is not straightforward but everyone needs to bear in mind that the food complanies, farmers and biotech firms (Monsanto etc.) have HUGE lobbying machines in the EU and in the USA, and will fight tooth and nail to protect their profits - public health is not in their interest. Ask yourself why they lobby government??? Why do they need to lobby government if they are doing something that the "free market" needs. POST brexit these lobby firms will be at Westminster and I do not trust Liam Fox to stand up to them. He will trouser as much cash as he can (remember he stole more cash from the taxpayer than anyone else in the MP expenses scandal) and will then end up on the board of all these companies after he leaves parliament - like all these othere politicians.
A FTA between the US and the UK is a huge mismatch in power and I worry that the we will take anything we are offered. We must be super cautious - but I fear the worst. That is why TTIP took years and years to negotitate. Chlorine washed Chicken and Hormone injected beef are just small examples of what corporate america has in store for us. And it is the poor that will suffer (not in the pocket but in health) - as well as, in this case UK farmers and the rural economy - not the well off that can afford the better options. But remember in the end it is the taxpayer that will pay - and the corporations that trouser the profits.

Good points well put.

 

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View NickinOX's Profile NickinOX Flag Sailing country. 25 Jul 17 12.32pm Send a Private Message to NickinOX Add NickinOX as a friend

Originally posted by Mr Palaceman

The problems come when companies use the technique to sell old meat as fresh. It's also been shown that overall levels of hygiene drop amongst companies that rely on the method.

In regards to labelling, they will sell it without telling you what it is. Who would buy imported chicken with "genetically engineered, chlorine washed" written on it. Not me. So they will try and get you to eat it without you knowing what it is.

That's how they sell so much crap food in the states and use price to justify selling it to the less well off.

In addition, many states ban people from growing their own food, using food hygiene as an excuse.

What is your evidence for that? That is, other than a few cases of problems with some towns or neighborhoods where the local ordinances about property upkeep are strict or misinterpreted, or the issue is growing food in an inner city to sell it. That would never happen back in Britain...

Given the amount of land, I'd say it is far more common here to grow or hunt for food.

 


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