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View Kermit8's Profile Kermit8 Flag Hevon 13 Nov 17 10.15pm Send a Private Message to Kermit8 Add Kermit8 as a friend

Originally posted by hedgehog50

Really? Perhaps we should just let your hypocrisy speak for itself.

Where exactly is the hypocrisy in enlightening another, in debate, about where an aspect of Britain that get up their nose had its nascence?

All I write here is merely political historical truth.

If you can show that the left are indeed responsible and signed on the dotted line for globalisation, mass immigration. banking deregulation and the selling of social housing stock without replenishment then go for it.

Edited by Kermit8 (13 Nov 2017 10.19pm)

 


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Originally posted by simlaboy

Worried by an unpicked harvest but not by exploited people who harvest it,

Exploited by whom?

 

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View Hrolf The Ganger's Profile Hrolf The Ganger Flag 13 Nov 17 10.25pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by Kermit8

No. Incorrect again. The Tories signed the permission slip. Labour were obliged to enact it by 2011.

Last years net migration stats - 248,000 in 2016 under a Tory Government. Total in 2009 under Labour 196,000.

That is just spin. Labour foolishly set it in motion by the admission of one of their own leaders. They could have chosen not to. That is the key point.

And your stats are highly selective. Seven of the ten highest net immigration years have been under Labour.

 

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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

That is just spin. Labour foolishly set it in motion by the admission of one of their own leaders. They could have chosen not to. That is the key point.

And your stats are highly selective. Seven of the ten highest net immigration years have been under Labour.

And which party has the no.1 slot in that top 10?

It's not Labour, is it?

 


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View Hrolf The Ganger's Profile Hrolf The Ganger Flag 13 Nov 17 10.55pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by Kermit8

And which party has the no.1 slot in that top 10?

It's not Labour, is it?

Only the Tory party have legislated to curtail immigration. The Labour party have done the opposite.

This is exactly the opposite of what you implied.

 

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View Hrolf The Ganger's Profile Hrolf The Ganger Flag 13 Nov 17 10.58pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by Kermit8

Where exactly is the hypocrisy in enlightening another, in debate, about where an aspect of Britain that get up their nose had its nascence?

All I write here is merely political historical truth.

If you can show that the left are indeed responsible and signed on the dotted line for globalisation, mass immigration. banking deregulation and the selling of social housing stock without replenishment then go for it.

Edited by Kermit8 (13 Nov 2017 10.19pm)

All you have done is select things that appear to support your false argument. It is just a list of half truths.

 

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hedgehog50 Flag Croydon 14 Nov 17 8.02am

Originally posted by Kermit8

Where exactly is the hypocrisy in enlightening another, in debate, about where an aspect of Britain that get up their nose had its nascence?

All I write here is merely political historical truth.

If you can show that the left are indeed responsible and signed on the dotted line for globalisation, mass immigration. banking deregulation and the selling of social housing stock without replenishment then go for it.

Edited by Kermit8 (13 Nov 2017 10.19pm)

I see, you are just 'educating' us are you? As Stalin said: "Education is a weapon whose effects depend on who holds it in his hands and at whom it is aimed."
Of the four items that you list, which ones are you in favour of - or shall we take a wild guess?
However, you can't blame any party of government for globalisation, it is a result of improved logistics and the Information Technology Revolution.
Labour (cheered on by the Liberals and Greens and far left parties) have been the party that has facilitated and encourage mass immigration despite your claims of 'political historical truth' - here's some though "rub the Right’s nose in diversity" ... "a driving political purpose: that mass immigration was the way that the Government was going to make the UK truly multicultural" [Andrew Neather]; "In 2004 when as a Labour government, we were not only welcoming people to come into this country to work, we were sending out search parties for people and encouraging them, in some cases, to take up work in this country." [Lord Mandelson] He also stated that the influx of immigrants meant the party’s traditional supporters are now unable to find work. Between 1997 and 2010, net migration to Britain totalled more than 2.2million, more than twice the population of Birmingham. The annual net figure quadrupled under Labour from 48,000 people in 1997 to 198,000 by 2009.
Blair's governments carried out massive deregulation of banks. Since 1997 the Labour governments of Tony Blair and Gordon Brown developed a programme of what they called "better regulation". This included a general programme for government departments to review, simplify or abolish their existing regulations, and a "one in, one out" approach to new regulations. In 1997, The Chancellor of the Exchequer announced the "freeing" of the Bank of England to set monetary policy. They freed the Bank of England from direct government control and removed the power by the Bank of England[citation needed] (and therefore by the government) from controlling the financial activities of banks in the UK[citation needed]. In 2006, new primary legislation (the Legislative and Regulatory Reform Act 2006) was introduced to establish statutory principles and a code of practice and it permits ministers to make Regulatory Reform Orders (RROs) to deal with older laws which they deem to be out of date, obscure or irrelevant. This act has often been criticised and called "The abolition of Parliament Act".
The Labour governments did very little to replenish housing stocks. Under Labour, between 1997 and 2010 there were 2,780 council homes built with a peak of 320 in 2010. Since then, there have been 10,310 homes built by councils. since 2010 the housing stock in Labour councils rose by 3.5%, lower than the 4% in Tory-controlled ones.

Edited by hedgehog50 (14 Nov 2017 8.22am)

 


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Originally posted by hedgehog50

I see, you are just 'educating' us are you? As Stalin said: "Education is a weapon whose effects depend on who holds it in his hands and at whom it is aimed."
Of the four items that you list, which ones are you in favour of - or shall we take a wild guess?
However, you can't blame any party of government for globalisation, it is a result of improved logistics and the Information Technology Revolution.
Labour (cheered on by the Liberals and Greens and far left parties) have been the party that has facilitated and encourage mass immigration despite your claims of 'political historical truth' - here's some though "rub the Right’s nose in diversity" ... "a driving political purpose: that mass immigration was the way that the Government was going to make the UK truly multicultural" [Andrew Neather]; "In 2004 when as a Labour government, we were not only welcoming people to come into this country to work, we were sending out search parties for people and encouraging them, in some cases, to take up work in this country." [Lord Mandelson] He also stated that the influx of immigrants meant the party’s traditional supporters are now unable to find work. Between 1997 and 2010, net migration to Britain totalled more than 2.2million, more than twice the population of Birmingham. The annual net figure quadrupled under Labour from 48,000 people in 1997 to 198,000 by 2009.
Blair's governments carried out massive deregulation of banks. Since 1997 the Labour governments of Tony Blair and Gordon Brown developed a programme of what they called "better regulation". This included a general programme for government departments to review, simplify or abolish their existing regulations, and a "one in, one out" approach to new regulations. In 1997, The Chancellor of the Exchequer announced the "freeing" of the Bank of England to set monetary policy. They freed the Bank of England from direct government control and removed the power by the Bank of England[citation needed] (and therefore by the government) from controlling the financial activities of banks in the UK[citation needed]. In 2006, new primary legislation (the Legislative and Regulatory Reform Act 2006) was introduced to establish statutory principles and a code of practice and it permits ministers to make Regulatory Reform Orders (RROs) to deal with older laws which they deem to be out of date, obscure or irrelevant. This act has often been criticised and called "The abolition of Parliament Act".
The Labour governments did very little to replenish housing stocks. Under Labour, between 1997 and 2010 there were 2,780 council homes built with a peak of 320 in 2010. Since then, there have been 10,310 homes built by councils. since 2010 the housing stock in Labour councils rose by 3.5%, lower than the 4% in Tory-controlled ones.

Edited by hedgehog50 (14 Nov 2017 8.22am)

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Originally posted by hedgehog50

I see, you are just 'educating' us are you? As Stalin said: "Education is a weapon whose effects depend on who holds it in his hands and at whom it is aimed."
Of the four items that you list, which ones are you in favour of - or shall we take a wild guess?
However, you can't blame any party of government for globalisation, it is a result of improved logistics and the Information Technology Revolution.
Labour (cheered on by the Liberals and Greens and far left parties) have been the party that has facilitated and encourage mass immigration despite your claims of 'political historical truth' - here's some though "rub the Right’s nose in diversity" ... "a driving political purpose: that mass immigration was the way that the Government was going to make the UK truly multicultural" [Andrew Neather]; "In 2004 when as a Labour government, we were not only welcoming people to come into this country to work, we were sending out search parties for people and encouraging them, in some cases, to take up work in this country." [Lord Mandelson] He also stated that the influx of immigrants meant the party’s traditional supporters are now unable to find work. Between 1997 and 2010, net migration to Britain totalled more than 2.2million, more than twice the population of Birmingham. The annual net figure quadrupled under Labour from 48,000 people in 1997 to 198,000 by 2009.
Blair's governments carried out massive deregulation of banks. Since 1997 the Labour governments of Tony Blair and Gordon Brown developed a programme of what they called "better regulation". This included a general programme for government departments to review, simplify or abolish their existing regulations, and a "one in, one out" approach to new regulations. In 1997, The Chancellor of the Exchequer announced the "freeing" of the Bank of England to set monetary policy. They freed the Bank of England from direct government control and removed the power by the Bank of England[citation needed] (and therefore by the government) from controlling the financial activities of banks in the UK[citation needed]. In 2006, new primary legislation (the Legislative and Regulatory Reform Act 2006) was introduced to establish statutory principles and a code of practice and it permits ministers to make Regulatory Reform Orders (RROs) to deal with older laws which they deem to be out of date, obscure or irrelevant. This act has often been criticised and called "The abolition of Parliament Act".
The Labour governments did very little to replenish housing stocks. Under Labour, between 1997 and 2010 there were 2,780 council homes built with a peak of 320 in 2010. Since then, there have been 10,310 homes built by councils. since 2010 the housing stock in Labour councils rose by 3.5%, lower than the 4% in Tory-controlled ones.

Edited by hedgehog50 (14 Nov 2017 8.22am)

Whatever you say - and you have said a lot there - it doesn't dismiss the fact that in all that we are discussing, the housing, banks, immigration, foreign companies taking over here(globalisation), etc, it was The Conservative Party that as 'Generals' issued and signed the initial orders which fundamentally enabled and enacted all of the above - and it was the Labour Party as subservient 'Sergeants' who did pretty much nothing to halt it in its tracks.

And here we are...

 


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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 14 Nov 17 12.01pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

None of those factors has any bearing except culture. Culture includes religion, lawlessness and attitudes to others. Things are not rosy in that department. To keep pretending they are is promoting unreality. Of course people interact in the course of daily life. They have to.

What you really mean is that the law and the fascism of corporations and media have made it almost impossible for many people to say what they realy think. As far as voting is concerned. No one actually believes that a party other than Tory or Labour can win in a general election.

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (13 Nov 2017 6.02pm)

What some people apparently think. I don't seem to have a problem, nor do most people it seems.

So how do you explain the success of UKIP at the previous election, if voting habits are defined by the Labour / Conservative only scenario. Or the rise of the Liberal Democrats from the Liberals and SDP through the 80s.

Also, calling groups fascists, is a bit of a low point, reminds me of the tugheads on the left who call Conservatives and UKIP fascists.

Sometimes, yeah it might be that 'everyone is out to get you', but its usually the case that you just hold unpopular opinions, that people disagree with.

Entertainment media appeals to a market - and I think that the increasing level of liberal issues in the media tend to reflect and increasingly liberal society (which both Labour and the Conservative government have moved towards courting).

 


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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 14 Nov 17 12.18pm

Originally posted by hedgehog50

Really? Perhaps we should just let your hypocrisy speak for itself.

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