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 Stirlingsays  30 Jul 19 11.00pm |
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This post has been merged from a topic called 'BBC fake news - Tommy Robinson' by Midlands Eagle We shouldn't be giving equal weight to the teaching of other religions in our schools outside of A level or university topic choice. All English/British schoolchildren should be taught the historical and cultural bedrock that Jude-Christainity provided to western and Anglo culture. In my view It should be done as a tie-in to British history. They should not be taught to believe in God, as that is a personal choice. However, the spectre of a generation of children lacking even simple knowledge of major figures like Moses or events like the sermon on the mount is embarrassing. At the general education level no major knowledge of other religions is required. I support home schooling where the parents deem it necessary and where it is proven that they can provide the necessary education. When it comes down to the division of responsibility between parent and state, the parent should have the larger say....unless the child is deemed to be in physical danger or the parent is medically or physically unfit. However, a plan between parent and state would still need to be agreed upon and met. Edited by Stirlingsays (30 Jul 2019 11.07pm)
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| Hrolf The Ganger 31 Jul 19 8.31am |
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This post has been merged from a topic called 'BBC fake news - Tommy Robinson' by Midlands Eagle Originally posted by Stirlingsays
We shouldn't be giving equal weight to the teaching of other religions in our schools outside of A level or university topic choice. All English/British schoolchildren should be taught the historical and cultural bedrock that Jude-Christainity provided to western and Anglo culture. In my view It should be done as a tie-in to British history. They should not be taught to believe in God, as that is a personal choice. However, the spectre of a generation of children lacking even simple knowledge of major figures like Moses or events like the sermon on the mount is embarrassing. At the general education level no major knowledge of other religions is required. I support home schooling where the parents deem it necessary and where it is proven that they can provide the necessary education. When it comes down to the division of responsibility between parent and state, the parent should have the larger say....unless the child is deemed to be in physical danger or the parent is medically or physically unfit. However, a plan between parent and state would still need to be agreed upon and met. Edited by Stirlingsays (30 Jul 2019 11.07pm) I think we will have to disagree on this a bit Stirls. Of course, Christianity is part of history and should be taught as such but Biblical figures must be seen in context. It is about time the Bible and all the other religious texts were seen for what they are and downgraded in importance. There is so much more to learn about history without the 2000 year old spin. I do agree that other religions barely deserve a mention in relative terms.
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| Hrolf The Ganger 31 Jul 19 8.55am |
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This post has been merged from a topic called 'BBC fake news - Tommy Robinson' by Midlands Eagle Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
I am enjoying reading your contributions on this subject as they mirror my own feelings almost precisely. No-one need fear that the importance of Christianity to the development of our culture will be overlooked. Indeed it must be taught to all children, from whatever background, along with how religious beliefs have played roles in many countries in many ways, both positively and negatively. We need to teach the children about religion, but not teach them a religion. Make them curious to find out more, if they wish to, but not just about the religion of their parents. There is another related issue which I believe will need to be addressed. That is home schooling, which has become very popular in the USA within religious families who want their kids educated in a particular way and don't believe the state system provides this. It is happening in the UK too and showed a 40% increase in the 3 years to 2018. I think this needs to be stopped for anything other than reasons of disability, or location. Home schooling because of a parent's religious beliefs should no longer qualify a child to be home schooled. If a child can attend a school then they should attend a school. There are strong social reasons why a child will become a better adjusted adult if they learn in the company of others, but that isn't the primary reason I think this is necessary. Home schooling is particularly popular with traditional Catholic and other strongly religious families. I can imagine that if we don't take action to reverse this trend then the current growth will become a flood if we remove all religious influence from the schools, which would defeat the purpose of such a change. I don't know how many Islamic parents home school but we need to avoid them being able to do so, alongside all parents, just because of their beliefs. What do others think? On homeschooling, I think the trend demonstrates that the multicultural ideal is a fantasy. Many would rather insulate themselves and their kids from the influence of other cultures and to some degree, the dangers that now lurk in our society. If homeschooling is used specifically to install religious obedience and isolationism then it is a very dangerous situation for our already increasingly divided society. If the state is serious about integration, then it has to think carefully about these issues and work much harder to make it happen. I must admit that I would be very happy to insulate myself and my family from many aspects of modern Britain. Obviously, I would have preferred it if our government had not created the mess we now have in the first place. Equally, I realise that the real world is not entirely avoidable and that schooling is the first stage of experiencing it and learning how to function within it. Homeschooling removes the opportunity to develop social skills and experience other people be it positive or negative.
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| Stirlingsays 31 Jul 19 9.00am |
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This post has been merged from a topic called 'BBC fake news - Tommy Robinson' by Midlands Eagle Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
I think we will have to disagree on this a bit Stirls. Of course, Christianity is part of history and should be taught as such but Biblical figures must be seen in context. It is about time the Bible and all the other religious texts were seen for what they are and downgraded in importance. There is so much more to learn about history without the 2000 year old spin. I do agree that other religions barely deserve a mention in relative terms. More a question of emphasis than disagreement I'd say. Many of our movers and shakers are now nihilistic individualists who are slowly dismantling the fabric of the west.
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| Hrolf The Ganger 31 Jul 19 9.27am |
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This post has been merged from a topic called 'BBC fake news - Tommy Robinson' by Midlands Eagle Originally posted by Stirlingsays
More a question of emphasis than disagreement I'd say. Many of our movers and shakers are now nihilistic individualists who are slowly dismantling the fabric of the west. This is definitely true. We need to understand why it is important to have a code of behaviour that allows for a civilised workable society. I am also concerned with the self loathing trend that condemns our historical heritage. We should not be lectured by other cultures and 'fifth columnists' about how worthless we are. We need to restore some pride and ignore the drone of 'minority' and elite self interest.
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Teddy Eagle  31 Jul 19 9.28am |
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| Stirlingsays 31 Jul 19 9.44am |
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This post has been merged from a topic called 'BBC fake news - Tommy Robinson' by Midlands Eagle Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
This is definitely true. We need to understand why it is important to have a code of behaviour that allows for a civilised workable society. I am also concerned with the self loathing trend that condemns our historical heritage. We should not be lectured by other cultures and 'fifth columnists' about how worthless we are. We need to restore some pride and ignore the drone of 'minority' and elite self interest. Seconded.
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| Stirlingsays 31 Jul 19 9.51am |
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This post has been merged from a topic called 'BBC fake news - Tommy Robinson' by Midlands Eagle Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
Home schooling gives varied results.....I can think of some pretty impressive examples and I remember some neglectful ones. Then again the sausage factory that is comprehensive education can also be pretty damaging for a few in different ways. As you'd expect every situation is its own set of circumstances.
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| topcat Holmesdale / Surbiton 31 Jul 19 10.09am |
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This post has been merged from a topic called 'BBC fake news - Tommy Robinson' by Midlands Eagle Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
I am enjoying reading your contributions on this subject as they mirror my own feelings almost precisely. No-one need fear that the importance of Christianity to the development of our culture will be overlooked. Indeed it must be taught to all children, from whatever background, along with how religious beliefs have played roles in many countries in many ways, both positively and negatively. We need to teach the children about religion, but not teach them a religion. Make them curious to find out more, if they wish to, but not just about the religion of their parents. There is another related issue which I believe will need to be addressed. That is home schooling, which has become very popular in the USA within religious families who want their kids educated in a particular way and don't believe the state system provides this. It is happening in the UK too and showed a 40% increase in the 3 years to 2018. I think this needs to be stopped for anything other than reasons of disability, or location. Home schooling because of a parent's religious beliefs should no longer qualify a child to be home schooled. If a child can attend a school then they should attend a school. There are strong social reasons why a child will become a better adjusted adult if they learn in the company of others, but that isn't the primary reason I think this is necessary. Home schooling is particularly popular with traditional Catholic and other strongly religious families. I can imagine that if we don't take action to reverse this trend then the current growth will become a flood if we remove all religious influence from the schools, which would defeat the purpose of such a change. I don't know how many Islamic parents home school but we need to avoid them being able to do so, alongside all parents, just because of their beliefs. What do others think? Agree pretty much with all of this although a 40% rise isn't actually that much when the initial number is pretty low. It does seem to be mainly religious families. Jewish, Islamic and the more hard core Christian. It needs to be stopped but wont be.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 31 Jul 19 10.10am |
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This post has been merged from a topic called 'BBC fake news - Tommy Robinson' by Midlands Eagle Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
On homeschooling, I think the trend demonstrates that the multicultural ideal is a fantasy. Many would rather insulate themselves and their kids from the influence of other cultures and to some degree, the dangers that now lurk in our society. If homeschooling is used specifically to install religious obedience and isolationism then it is a very dangerous situation for our already increasingly divided society. If the state is serious about integration, then it has to think carefully about these issues and work much harder to make it happen. I must admit that I would be very happy to insulate myself and my family from many aspects of modern Britain. Obviously, I would have preferred it if our government had not created the mess we now have in the first place. Equally, I realise that the real world is not entirely avoidable and that schooling is the first stage of experiencing it and learning how to function within it. Homeschooling removes the opportunity to develop social skills and experience other people be it positive or negative.
Whenever I have engaged with people who are home schooling their children the only reason given has been that they want they to learn with their religion at the forefront of the teaching. No-one has ever suggested they want to insulate themselves from multi culturalism. Indeed I don't think that is actually possible unless you not just home school but also completely remove yourselves from mainstream society. Which is what you hint at yourself. I fully recognise that if we do this we would be restricting choice and be accused of over bearing state control. Nevertheless I believe it's a sacrifice that needs to be made in the interests of seeking to try to establish a better future for our grandchildren.
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| Hrolf The Ganger 31 Jul 19 10.17am |
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This post has been merged from a topic called 'BBC fake news - Tommy Robinson' by Midlands Eagle Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Whenever I have engaged with people who are home schooling their children the only reason given has been that they want they to learn with their religion at the forefront of the teaching. No-one has ever suggested they want to insulate themselves from multi culturalism. Indeed I don't think that is actually possible unless you not just home school but also completely remove yourselves from mainstream society. Which is what you hint at yourself. I fully recognise that if we do this we would be restricting choice and be accused of over bearing state control. Nevertheless I believe it's a sacrifice that needs to be made in the interests of seeking to try to establish a better future for our grandchildren. Is that not largely the same thing? Our culture is now largely secular but Islam, as the obvious example, dominates the culture of Muslims. We can't easily separate 'multi religion' and multi culture in the way you suggest.
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| Stirlingsays 31 Jul 19 10.25am |
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This post has been merged from a topic called 'BBC fake news - Tommy Robinson' by Midlands Eagle It's almost comical that people whose politics are responsible for places like Savile Town and indeed the wider Dewsbury get to talk about what's best for grandchildren. These people have been a disaster for UK society and their politics are responsible for the increased crime and murder.....they share responsibility for introducing acid attacks, terror attacks and FGM, honour killings and of course the thousands of English and some Sikh girls who have been gang raped. These problems don't exist in most of Eastern Europe where they have resisted the politics of mass immigration from backward countries. Anything they think about the future needs to be seen within the context of what they have already enabled.
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