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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 03 Nov 21 12.53pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays So I get a stake in your house then? That is quite a big non sequitur! Houses are just things. Life is rather more than just things. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 03 Nov 21 12.53pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

So I get a stake in your house then?

That is quite a big non sequitur!

Houses are just things. Life is rather more than just things.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

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Teddy Eagle 03 Nov 21 12.56pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle That though isn't the point, is it? The purpose of any democratic system is to ensure that the power to change things lies in the hands of the people, and not either a king or select group. Parliamentary democracy has evolved as electorates got bigger and direct democracy became ever more unmanageable, slow and expensive. It can work with small electorates and simple questions, but asking electorates to choose representatives to study complicated issues, and take decisions on their behalf, is not only more efficient, it helps ensure that the people, as a whole, get what they need, and not just what they want. Direct elections will always see self-interest winning and the needs of minorities ignored. You argued that referendums are more democratic. They are certainly closer to democracy's Athenian origins, but democracy has moved a long way since then, and the meaning of the word has moved with it. Does anywhere allow children to vote? Determining when childhood ends is another question. Should serving prisoners (and those convicted of election offences) be allowed to vote? I cannot imagine you being in favour. Should Peers or the Royals be allowed to vote? Over 99% of all adults can vote. Isn't that actually more democratic? The question on peers is interesting. How many are there? There are 810 in the House of Lords and only those eligible can’t vote. At the UK General Election of 2017 there were 285,000 registered overseas voters. At the time Government estimated that this is about 20% of eligible expats under the current 15-year limit.
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03 Nov 21 12.56pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

That though isn't the point, is it? The purpose of any democratic system is to ensure that the power to change things lies in the hands of the people, and not either a king or select group.

Parliamentary democracy has evolved as electorates got bigger and direct democracy became ever more unmanageable, slow and expensive. It can work with small electorates and simple questions, but asking electorates to choose representatives to study complicated issues, and take decisions on their behalf, is not only more efficient, it helps ensure that the people, as a whole, get what they need, and not just what they want. Direct elections will always see self-interest winning and the needs of minorities ignored.

You argued that referendums are more democratic. They are certainly closer to democracy's Athenian origins, but democracy has moved a long way since then, and the meaning of the word has moved with it.

Does anywhere allow children to vote? Determining when childhood ends is another question. Should serving prisoners (and those convicted of election offences) be allowed to vote? I cannot imagine you being in favour. Should Peers or the Royals be allowed to vote?

Over 99% of all adults can vote. Isn't that actually more democratic?

The question on peers is interesting. How many are there? There are 810 in the House of Lords and only those eligible can’t vote.
At the UK General Election of 2017 there were 285,000 registered overseas voters. At the time Government estimated that this is about 20% of eligible expats under the current 15-year limit.

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Stirlingsays 03 Nov 21 1.17pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle That is quite a big non sequitur! Houses are just things. Life is rather more than just things. Houses are a product of economics....it hits the nail on the head. If everyone deserves a stake then where is my stake in your house. No the reality is that only those who have a stake within something should have a say on it. Edited by Stirlingsays (03 Nov 2021 1.19pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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Stirlingsays

03 Nov 21 1.17pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

That is quite a big non sequitur!

Houses are just things. Life is rather more than just things.

Houses are a product of economics....it hits the nail on the head. If everyone deserves a stake then where is my stake in your house.

No the reality is that only those who have a stake within something should have a say on it.

Edited by Stirlingsays (03 Nov 2021 1.19pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 03 Nov 21 1.35pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Houses are a product of economics....it hits the nail on the head. If everyone deserves a stake then where is my stake in your house. No the reality is that only those who have a stake within something should have a say on it. Edited by Stirlingsays (03 Nov 2021 1.19pm) Therein lies the difference between those who regard self-interest as the only determinant in deciding behaviour, and those who see a need to think of the interests of us all. Politics is far more than just the determination of economic policy. It concerns what we do as a people, and as a species. Just look what is happening in Glasgow! Political leaders trying to take actions that impact the very future of our planet. Short-term self-interest is the easy and lazy route to personal gratification. Life is much bigger, and more important, than that. We all have a stake in life. Ours, and those who follow us. So everyone needs to be involved. Not just the economically active. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 03 Nov 21 1.35pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Houses are a product of economics....it hits the nail on the head. If everyone deserves a stake then where is my stake in your house.

No the reality is that only those who have a stake within something should have a say on it.

Edited by Stirlingsays (03 Nov 2021 1.19pm)

Therein lies the difference between those who regard self-interest as the only determinant in deciding behaviour, and those who see a need to think of the interests of us all.

Politics is far more than just the determination of economic policy. It concerns what we do as a people, and as a species. Just look what is happening in Glasgow! Political leaders trying to take actions that impact the very future of our planet.

Short-term self-interest is the easy and lazy route to personal gratification.

Life is much bigger, and more important, than that. We all have a stake in life. Ours, and those who follow us.

So everyone needs to be involved. Not just the economically active.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

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PalazioVecchio south pole 03 Nov 21 1.50pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Conservative Councillor for Rotherham warns child sexual exploitation and grooming still happening. Labour and the wider left don't want to know. [Link] a whistle-blower ? it would be Conservative (or Labour) Career Hara-Kiri [Link] Eze Peasy at Anfield....
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Conservative Councillor for Rotherham warns child sexual exploitation and grooming still happening.

Labour and the wider left don't want to know.

[Link]

a whistle-blower ? it would be Conservative (or Labour) Career Hara-Kiri

[Link]

Eze Peasy at Anfield....

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becky over the moon 03 Nov 21 4.44pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Houses are a product of economics....it hits the nail on the head. If everyone deserves a stake then where is my stake in your house. No the reality is that only those who have a stake within something should have a say on it. Edited by Stirlingsays (03 Nov 2021 1.19pm) Maybe he should invite you round for a steak at his house, then you can tell him if it's cooked or rare enough........ with a glass or two thrown in, you two might actually become friends.. A stairway to Heaven and a Highway to Hell give some indication of expected traffic numbers
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over the moon 03 Nov 21 4.44pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Houses are a product of economics....it hits the nail on the head. If everyone deserves a stake then where is my stake in your house.

No the reality is that only those who have a stake within something should have a say on it.

Edited by Stirlingsays (03 Nov 2021 1.19pm)

Maybe he should invite you round for a steak at his house, then you can tell him if it's cooked or rare enough........

with a glass or two thrown in, you two might actually become friends..

A stairway to Heaven and a Highway to Hell give some indication of expected traffic numbers

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Teddy Eagle 03 Nov 21 4.50pm
Originally posted by becky Maybe he should invite you round for a steak at his house, then you can tell him if it's cooked or rare enough........ with a glass or two thrown in, you two might actually become friends.. Depends who does the throwing.
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Teddy Eagle

03 Nov 21 4.50pm

Originally posted by becky

Maybe he should invite you round for a steak at his house, then you can tell him if it's cooked or rare enough........

with a glass or two thrown in, you two might actually become friends..

Depends who does the throwing.

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Stirlingsays 03 Nov 21 5.46pm
Originally posted by becky Maybe he should invite you round for a steak at his house, then you can tell him if it's cooked or rare enough........ with a glass or two thrown in, you two might actually become friends.. You go first. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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03 Nov 21 5.46pm

Originally posted by becky

Maybe he should invite you round for a steak at his house, then you can tell him if it's cooked or rare enough........

with a glass or two thrown in, you two might actually become friends..

You go first.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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becky over the moon 03 Nov 21 6.33pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays You go first. Gladly...... free steak and wine, what's not to like! A stairway to Heaven and a Highway to Hell give some indication of expected traffic numbers
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over the moon 03 Nov 21 6.33pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

You go first.

Gladly...... free steak and wine, what's not to like!

A stairway to Heaven and a Highway to Hell give some indication of expected traffic numbers

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palace_in_frogland In a broken dream 03 Nov 21 7.25pm
Originally posted by becky Gladly...... free steak and whine, what's not to like! EFA.
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Originally posted by becky

Gladly...... free steak and whine, what's not to like!

EFA.

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cryrst The garden of England 03 Nov 21 7.29pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle That is quite a big non sequitur! Houses are just things. Life is rather more than just things. At times yes but generally no dosh no life in the western world. Is that not what rashford and his ilk are preaching non stop. It's about stuff and for many it's about free stuff. Did you not see the riots after scummy duggan was put down.
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The garden of England 03 Nov 21 7.29pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

That is quite a big non sequitur!

Houses are just things. Life is rather more than just things.

At times yes but generally no dosh no life in the western world.
Is that not what rashford and his ilk are preaching non stop.
It's about stuff and for many it's about free stuff.
Did you not see the riots after scummy duggan was put down.

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Stirlingsays 03 Nov 21 7.40pm
Originally posted by becky Gladly...... free steak and wine, what's not to like! About the last two years. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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03 Nov 21 7.40pm

Originally posted by becky

Gladly...... free steak and wine, what's not to like!

About the last two years.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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