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 7mins  In the bush 07 Apr 18 3.45pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
I was brought up in a single parent household. It isn't a like for like comparison to a situation where no opposite gender is available (I state again, this wouldn't be the case for most gay couples). Nevertheless, the statistics on single parent families on outcomes for the child aren't good compared to two parents....aren't you aware of this? Of course I'm aware of this... why would you ever think otherwise? The only difference between you and a gay man, is what you find sexually attractive... so why should they be treated different to you? It's 2018... you views are out-dated. Gay/Lesbian couples should be treated no different from straight couples... the fact you think they should, says a lot about you.
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| 7mins In the bush 07 Apr 18 3.45pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
In law, everyone should be treated the same but clearly, people are not really all the same. How are gay and straight people different?
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| 7mins In the bush 07 Apr 18 4.03pm |
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Gay people are exactly the same as straight people... they have faults like straight people, there is no way they should be treated any different when it comes to adopting children. If they are capable of showing a child love/patience/moral guidance... they should be allowed to adopt. Anyone who treats gays as different to straights.. I'll challenge your views... regardless if you're a straight white male, or a Muslim/Catholic/Hindu. You can't help being gay... and they absolutely should be treated the same as the rest of us... no ifs or buts.
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| Badger11 Beckenham 07 Apr 18 5.19pm |
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Originally posted by 7mins
Gay people are exactly the same as straight people... they have faults like straight people, there is no way they should be treated any different when it comes to adopting children. If they are capable of showing a child love/patience/moral guidance... they should be allowed to adopt. Anyone who treats gays as different to straights.. I'll challenge your views... regardless if you're a straight white male, or a Muslim/Catholic/Hindu. You can't help being gay... and they absolutely should be treated the same as the rest of us... no ifs or buts. I am going to support 7mins on this. The only issue I have is if social services allow an unsuitable couple to foster or adopt because they are scared to be accused of homophobia. I believe this happened in a recent case where a child died and one of the partners was completely unsuitable yet this was brushed over with tragic results. Other than that good people are good people regardless of gender, orientation etc and children need a loving home rather than what we laughingly call "care".
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PalazioVecchio  south pole 07 Apr 18 5.53pm |
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all this talk about straight or gay. Adopting or not.
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| 7mins In the bush 07 Apr 18 6.32pm |
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Originally posted by Badger11
I am going to support 7mins on this. The only issue I have is if social services allow an unsuitable couple to foster or adopt because they are scared to be accused of homophobia. I believe this happened in a recent case where a child died and one of the partners was completely unsuitable yet this was brushed over with tragic results. Other than that good people are good people regardless of gender, orientation etc and children need a loving home rather than what we laughingly call "care". Yep... the only question is about their parental capability.
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| Stirlingsays 07 Apr 18 7.14pm |
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Originally posted by 7mins
Of course I'm aware of this... why would you ever think otherwise? Because rather obviously you said being brought up in a single parent household didn't matter that only the quality of parenting mattered. You said gender wasn't important. I think the statistics show the massive problems society is facing from a culture of missing fathers and you are simply wrong. Well, if not having access to the opposite gender doesn't matter....in this case, the rather important genetic gender then the crime and social dysfunction statistics of single parent children woundn't be significantly larger than that of two parent households. Originally posted by 7mins
The only difference between you and a gay man, is what you find sexually attractive... so why should they be treated different to you? It's 2018... you views are out-dated. Gay/Lesbian couples should be treated no different from straight couples... the fact you think they should, says a lot about you. I have stated where potentially the difference lies....Stop asking the same question. I have also stated that this potential difference is not an issue in the vast majority of cases. Edited by Stirlingsays (07 Apr 2018 7.20pm)
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| Stirlingsays 07 Apr 18 7.18pm |
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Originally posted by Badger11
I am going to support 7mins on this. The only issue I have is if social services allow an unsuitable couple to foster or adopt because they are scared to be accused of homophobia. I believe this happened in a recent case where a child died and one of the partners was completely unsuitable yet this was brushed over with tragic results. Other than that good people are good people regardless of gender, orientation etc and children need a loving home rather than what we laughingly call "care". So you don't consider the possibility that a child could be denied access to the opposite gender as relevant for a child's development. That it could be denied a notable father figure or mother figure but say....a gay couple that move around a lot and don't have family. In most cases this isn't an issue and in most cases, if there were no better adoption options this question isn't a factor. Edited by Stirlingsays (07 Apr 2018 7.21pm)
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| Stirlingsays 07 Apr 18 7.23pm |
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Originally posted by PalazioVecchio
all this talk about straight or gay. Adopting or not.
You are right of course....I don't mind my threads taking a turn on options for a time....threads evolve. We will of course return to Tommy Robinson.
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| 7mins In the bush 07 Apr 18 7.54pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
I have stated where potentially the difference lies....Stop asking the same question. I have also stated that this potential difference is not an issue in the vast majority of cases. Edited by Stirlingsays (07 Apr 2018 7.20pm) 2 good parents are better than 1. Gender doesn't enter the argument.... what has your sex got to do with your ability to parent?
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| Stirlingsays 07 Apr 18 7.57pm |
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Originally posted by 7mins
2 good parents are better than 1. Gender doesn't enter the argument.... what has your sex got to do with your ability to parent? Statistics don't support your argument on one parent families as opposed to two parent families....good or bad....And over a population sample that would even out. Gender does play its part, unlike your position. Missing fathers make a difference over a population (with males especially) even with a good performing mother. Statistics make this abundantly clear. Stop ignoring my answers and asking me questions I've already answered.
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| 7mins In the bush 07 Apr 18 8.09pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Statistics don't support your argument on one parent families as opposed to two parent families....good or bad....And over a population sample that would even out. Gender does play its part, unlike your position. Stop ignoring my answers and asking me questions I've already answered. Edited by Stirlingsays (07 Apr 2018 7.58pm) You say a child needs male/female influence in it's upbringing? If so... why... can you tell me what a female parent offers that a male parent can't... and vice versa?
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