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Originally posted by Stirlingsays

I view Thatcher as a necessary correction to Britain's economic ills of the time...I mean, what were the choices? Her or Foot...But that in no way changes my view that she also did damage...We know that she started selling off the council houses without replacing the stock...houses built for people who needed them....An example of selfish short termism......Great for those that benefited while a complete pulling up of the ladder for the next generation.

While we can pick apart this or that policy I think the biggest damage she did was to the mindset of how the Tory party should see itself.

She wasn't a one nation Tory in the Macmillan mode.....I'm old enough to remember Macmillan complaining about her selling off the 'family silver' with that too wishful thinking that privatization was the answer to all the ills in the public utilities. The truth is that we have had very mixed results.

That said, Thatcher had great qualities as both a leader and as a conviction politician....What she would think of the current parade in the party I dread to think....A line up of social justice warrior wannabes and feminists mixed with globalistic neo liberalism.

As someone said the other day.....The Conservatives....what are they conserving exactly?

Edited by Stirlingsays (28 Dec 2018 7.50pm)

Rent owed to the local authority suddenly became a mortgage owed to a bank.
Too cynical or too correct?

 


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Originally posted by .TUX.

Rent owed to the local authority suddenly became a mortgage owed to a bank.
Too cynical or too correct?

Well, she certainly enlarged the financial sector......though that was probably one of her more intelligent and far sighted policies because first world countries were going to lose a lot of their manufacturing base to cheaper options around the world as globalisation became easier......That's unless you had an tradition of top quality trade guilds like Germany had and have......So that inevitable drop in manufacturing had to be replaced with something else.

So we went financial sector and more services focused rather than manufacturing.......It was necessary but painful....too painful in some ways....Thatcher was like William the Conquerer insomuch as she waylaid the north.

Edited by Stirlingsays (28 Dec 2018 8.09pm)

 

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Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Well, she certainly enlarged the financial sector......though that was probably one of her more intelligent and far sighted policies because first world countries were going to lose a lot of their manufacturing base to cheaper options around the world as globalisation became easier......That's unless you had an tradition of top quality trade guilds like Germany had and have......So that inevitable drop in manufacturing had to be replaced with something else.

So we went financial sector and more services focused rather than manufacturing.......It was necessary but painful....too painful in some ways....Thatcher was like William the Conquerer insomuch as she waylaid the north.

Edited by Stirlingsays (28 Dec 2018 8.09pm)

Which brings us back around to politicians run nothing, the financial institutions do.

I'm glad we've finally cleared that up bud

 


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steve1984 28 Dec 18 9.26pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

...what are they conserving exactly?

Self evidently, themselves.

 

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Originally posted by steve1984

Self evidently, themselves.

Yep.

 

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Originally posted by .TUX.

Which brings us back around to politicians run nothing, the financial institutions do.

I'm glad we've finally cleared that up bud


They are certainly the biggest lobbyists and have the biggest affects on governmental policy certainly.....no argument from me.

But powerful though they are.....their power is limited to their areas of control....if the financial sector were really running things Corbyn wouldn't have a chance in hell of being PM.

There are several European governments in power right now that are certainly not the choice of the financial institutions.


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