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View Hrolf The Ganger's Profile Hrolf The Ganger Flag 24 Mar 22 10.33am Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

We aren't actually showing anyone any charity!

We are meeting internationally agreed conventions. I can only imagine what the EU's response would be if we did not.

We cannot patrol every inch of coastline. Nor can we legally just return people to their countries of origin, if they have a legitimate claim to refugee status. That needs to be established, and that takes time and resources.

You might wish it otherwise, but we are a law-abiding country who accepts our responsibilities.

We have no other choice but to work with others to solve this. We cannot do this on our own. We cannot just set up an offshore processing centre and then put people back on boats to whence they came.

You won't like being told this, but Brexit has made solving this much harder.

If people aren't refugees, then they certainly ought to be returned. Illegal economic migration cannot be accepted. The problem is, unhappily, despite your cynicism, it appears that most are.

It's really easy to look at this and criticise. We can all do that. It's like shooting fish in a barrel. Finding impractical solutions is also easy. It's much harder to find practical, workable solutions. So far, no-one has. Other than co-operation and attacking the gangs at source.

As usual, you like to indulge in wordy waffle.

The bottom line is that we have to find a way to stop this illegal influx, and if that mean rewriting the rules or defying international convention, then we should take a lead in doing so.

The current situation cannot continue regardless of 'convention',
There is no way that most of these people are 'refugees'. They are opportunists.
European governments need to get together and create a new policy that deters or return illegal migrants. If they have no papers to identify origin, then we should make them all build a new city in an inhabited area somewhere. I'm sure there are plenty available. If you think that is crazy, just consider the consequences if we keep allowing an ever growing number to stay here.

 

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View Wisbech Eagle's Profile Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 24 Mar 22 11.21am Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

As usual, you like to indulge in wordy waffle.

The bottom line is that we have to find a way to stop this illegal influx, and if that mean rewriting the rules or defying international convention, then we should take a lead in doing so.

The current situation cannot continue regardless of 'convention',
There is no way that most of these people are 'refugees'. They are opportunists.
European governments need to get together and create a new policy that deters or return illegal migrants. If they have no papers to identify origin, then we should make them all build a new city in an inhabited area somewhere. I'm sure there are plenty available. If you think that is crazy, just consider the consequences if we keep allowing an ever growing number to stay here.

The only realism in the above is the need for European governments to get together. The rest is just hot air.

Identifying problems is always easy. Forecasting the consequences foolish. Preparing for possible eventualities wise.

We now live in a changing world, which is going to see the pace of those changes increasing. They affect us. We cannot isolate ourselves from them. We need to manage them, and mitigate the negative impacts.

Coming to terms with these realities might be very hard for some, but as a country it is essential that we do so.

 

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View Hrolf The Ganger's Profile Hrolf The Ganger Flag 24 Mar 22 12.57pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

The only realism in the above is the need for European governments to get together. The rest is just hot air.

Identifying problems is always easy. Forecasting the consequences foolish. Preparing for possible eventualities wise.

We now live in a changing world, which is going to see the pace of those changes increasing. They affect us. We cannot isolate ourselves from them. We need to manage them, and mitigate the negative impacts.

Coming to terms with these realities might be very hard for some, but as a country it is essential that we do so.

Come on Wisbech.

Forecasting outcome is the primary way people make decisions. I am at a loss to understand why someone like yourself can't understand that a trend must be used to predict the future. If that was not the case, then it would be impossible to determine a policy. What you say is fantasy.

And yes, we can isolate ourselves when it comes to illegal migration. It would certainly help if Europe as a whole cooperated, but those that influence policy don't want to stop the tide. They are after quick short term gain.

You know, the sort of people who you don't believe in who get together and discuss mutual interests which are normally at our expense.
The 'James Bond villains' you speak of, who are actually just extremely wealthy, influential and often corrupt individuals who own 98% of the planet's wealth and have political power. They want the flow of immigrants to continue because they are consumers, workers and soldiers.

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (24 Mar 2022 1.00pm)

 

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View Wisbech Eagle's Profile Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 24 Mar 22 1.19pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Come on Wisbech.

Forecasting outcome is the primary way people make decisions. I am at a loss to understand why someone like yourself can't understand that a trend must be used to predict the future. If that was not the case, then it would be impossible to determine a policy. What you say is fantasy.

And yes, we can isolate ourselves when it comes to illegal migration. It would certainly help if Europe as a whole cooperated, but those that influence policy don't want to stop the tide. They are after quick short term gain.

You know, the sort of people who you don't believe in who get together and discuss mutual interests which are normally at our expense.
The 'Jamnes Bond villains' you speak of, who are actually just extremely wealthy, influential and often corrupt individuals who own 98% of the planet's wealth and have political power. They want the flow of immigrants to continue because they are consumers, workers and soldiers.

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (24 Mar 2022 12.58pm)

Forecasting implies a degree of expectation and certainty. In an uncertain world, that is foolish. We need to prepare, retain flexibility and adaptability. If we face a future which we can realistically anticipate will involve migrant flows, both in and out of our country, then we need to stop thinking that the only answer is to erect barriers to stop them. Barriers don't work. They also isolate. We need to redouble our efforts to both manage the flows, in partnership with all the other stakeholders, and to learn how to absorb those we do accept. Currently, we are failing at both.

The idea that anyone actually just allows this to happen because they can profit from it is the kind of stuff found in the worst type of conspiracy theory site. It's in no-one's interests to have a dysfunctional world economy at war with itself. Of course, there are mega rich people. That's not new. They, though, are as intimately bound up with ensuring the world both survives and prospers as anyone else. They don't need any short term gains. What difference does it make if they have 10 billion or 100 billion? They want to make sure their grandchildren have 5 billion in 50 years time and are still alive to enjoy it.

That's why forums like the WEF are so important, and why the ideas that it's all a way to defraud the ordinary person such nonsense.

 

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View Hrolf The Ganger's Profile Hrolf The Ganger Flag 24 Mar 22 2.14pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Forecasting implies a degree of expectation and certainty. In an uncertain world, that is foolish. We need to prepare, retain flexibility and adaptability. If we face a future which we can realistically anticipate will involve migrant flows, both in and out of our country, then we need to stop thinking that the only answer is to erect barriers to stop them. Barriers don't work. They also isolate. We need to redouble our efforts to both manage the flows, in partnership with all the other stakeholders, and to learn how to absorb those we do accept. Currently, we are failing at both.

The idea that anyone actually just allows this to happen because they can profit from it is the kind of stuff found in the worst type of conspiracy theory site. It's in no-one's interests to have a dysfunctional world economy at war with itself. Of course, there are mega rich people. That's not new. They, though, are as intimately bound up with ensuring the world both survives and prospers as anyone else. They don't need any short term gains. What difference does it make if they have 10 billion or 100 billion? They want to make sure their grandchildren have 5 billion in 50 years time and are still alive to enjoy it.

That's why forums like the WEF are so important, and why the ideas that it's all a way to defraud the ordinary person such nonsense.

What you are basically saying is that we wait until it's too late to act and, in the meantime, keep accepting migrants in some deluded fantasy that it will all be alright in the end.

You can afford to say this stuff because you won't be around to reap the consequences of your proposed inaction.

 

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View Wisbech Eagle's Profile Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 24 Mar 22 10.20pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

What you are basically saying is that we wait until it's too late to act and, in the meantime, keep accepting migrants in some deluded fantasy that it will all be alright in the end.

You can afford to say this stuff because you won't be around to reap the consequences of your proposed inaction.

That isn't at all what I am saying. It is just what you think I am saying, so read it again and this time try a little harder to understand what I actually said.

The idea that I don't care is an insult. I love my country, and want it to be a safe and successful place for my children, grandchildren and great grandchildren.

 

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View Hrolf The Ganger's Profile Hrolf The Ganger Flag 25 Mar 22 10.46am Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

That isn't at all what I am saying. It is just what you think I am saying, so read it again and this time try a little harder to understand what I actually said.

The idea that I don't care is an insult. I love my country, and want it to be a safe and successful place for my children, grandchildren and great grandchildren.

In which case, you should be very keen to stop illegal immigration and the majority of legal immigration to minimize the obvious consequences of the current trend.

 

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View Slimey Toad's Profile Slimey Toad Flag Karsiyaka, North Cyprus 25 Mar 22 10.55am Send a Private Message to Slimey Toad Add Slimey Toad as a friend

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

What you are basically saying is that we wait until it's too late to act and, in the meantime, keep accepting migrants in some deluded fantasy that it will all be alright in the end.

You can afford to say this stuff because you won't be around to reap the consequences of your proposed inaction.

That's what Millenials said about old people who voted for Brexit.

Edited by Slimey Toad (25 Mar 2022 10.56am)

 

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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Flag 25 Mar 22 10.58am Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

That isn't at all what I am saying. It is just what you think I am saying, so read it again and this time try a little harder to understand what I actually said.

The idea that I don't care is an insult. I love my country, and want it to be a safe and successful place for my children, grandchildren and great grandchildren.

Your politics is destroying it and your politics has already considerably downgraded it in terms of cohesion, average earnings and crime rate and no doubt other metrics.

I predict that your future relations won't have the reassurance of owning their own property unlike the privilege and advantage you were allowed. In fact it's even probable that if they have any means to move that they won't even stay in this country.

But hey, change and all that....the fact that its downgraded change for most doesn't appear to bother you.

Your politics won't be blamed for nothing.....well it's being blamed by more and more....and considering we are all going to be poorer your globalism hard-on will come under more criticism in these coming years.

Edited by Stirlingsays (25 Mar 2022 10.59am)

 


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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Flag 25 Mar 22 11.01am Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by Slimey Toad

That's what Millenials said about old people who voted for Brexit.

Edited by Slimey Toad (25 Mar 2022 10.56am)

Ha....what is this Brexit of which you speak?

Brexit has been dwarfed by lockdowns and cold wars.

 


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View Hrolf The Ganger's Profile Hrolf The Ganger Flag 25 Mar 22 11.42am Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by Slimey Toad

That's what Millenials said about old people who voted for Brexit.

Edited by Slimey Toad (25 Mar 2022 10.56am)

I'm not a Millennial and definitely not a 'Millenial'.

I'm 58 so my interest is also in seeing a future for my grandchildren and their children and not as a minority in their country of heritage.

Wisbech by contrast claims to care, but is happy to see Britain's Northern European population mostly replaced and its population swell to unmanageable numbers.
He will of course respond with a denial and then suggest we 'embrace change',
I'm sure the Beaker People, Romans and Normans said that too, but at least they had arguably superior cultures. All we 'embrace' now will be retrograde.

 

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View Rudi Hedman's Profile Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 25 Mar 22 11.57am Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Your politics is destroying it and your politics has already considerably downgraded it in terms of cohesion, average earnings and crime rate and no doubt other metrics.

I predict that your future relations won't have the reassurance of owning their own property unlike the privilege and advantage you were allowed. In fact it's even probable that if they have any means to move that they won't even stay in this country.

But hey, change and all that....the fact that its downgraded change for most doesn't appear to bother you.

Your politics won't be blamed for nothing.....well it's being blamed by more and more....and considering we are all going to be poorer your globalism hard-on will come under more criticism in these coming years.

Edited by Stirlingsays (25 Mar 2022 10.59am)

I had to laugh this morning. I ended up on a YouTube link where The One Show on bbc 1 had a segment on MLE Multicultural London English and accents. Someone among the few fools in the comments below mentioned how exciting it was/is that the London accent is evolving into MLE. Someone replied with something about how positive and exciting it must be considering all of the white flight and the London accent moving to outer London rather than evolving into an accent that didn’t exist when Ian Wright (add plenty of others) was growing up in inner London. Idris Elba would’ve been laughed out of auditions that weren’t for roles on ‘’the road’’

 


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