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View Wisbech Eagle's Profile Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 25 Mar 22 7.31pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

I want the people we elect to make decisions to actually do something rather than passing the buck.
It's not good enough to just keep telling us how difficult it is.

Why don't you write to your MP with some of your creative ideas about how to solve this, then? No-one on here can change anything, so pontification in these pages is just wearing out the keys.

I am sure they will jump at the chance to learn from such an expert on immigration control.

 

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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Online Flag 25 Mar 22 7.34pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

You are trying to compare chalk with cheese!

Japan doesn't face the same challenges as we, and the rest of Europe, does. It doesn't have Africa just across the Mediterranean. It is though, quietly, accepting many more immigrants than you seem to realise. They though arrive legally. The opportunities for illegal immigration being almost non-existent. It's estimated around 4,000 entered from China in the last 5 1/2 years.

The idea that where anyone chooses to live makes them a hypocrite beats me. I have long wanted to retire here. I couldn't afford to live in London, even if I like city life, which I don't. Not because of who does, but simply because I prefer peace and quiet to rush and noise. I don't care a jot what the background of my neighbours is, so long as they are also quiet and peaceful.

It's an Asian country accepting limited Asian immigration. It isn't an open door to the world. It hasn't given away whole regions of its country to foreign countries. It is Japan and probably will always be Japanese in the real sense of the word.

It is strictly controlling naturalization and doesn't treat it as an inevitable right.....as a person like you does.

Japan values its citizenship and enforces is borders. It is pretty hard to become a naturalised Japanese. It doesn't have a class of internal fifth columnists attacking its culture and it does not fear terrorist attacks from foreign cultures.

It's social metrics are not accidental. That's precisely because it doesn't contain people with views like yours in charge.

Edited by Stirlingsays (25 Mar 2022 7.37pm)

 


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View Wisbech Eagle's Profile Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 25 Mar 22 10.44pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

It's an Asian country accepting limited Asian immigration. It isn't an open door to the world. It hasn't given away whole regions of its country to foreign countries. It is Japan and probably will always be Japanese in the real sense of the word.

It is strictly controlling naturalization and doesn't treat it as an inevitable right.....as a person like you does.

Japan values its citizenship and enforces is borders. It is pretty hard to become a naturalised Japanese. It doesn't have a class of internal fifth columnists attacking its culture and it does not fear terrorist attacks from foreign cultures.

It's social metrics are not accidental. That's precisely because it doesn't contain people with views like yours in charge.

Edited by Stirlingsays (25 Mar 2022 7.37pm)

You have been down this track several times before, doing what you always do. Searching for evidence to support a conclusion rather than reach a conclusion based on the evidence.

Japan and the UK are in very different situations, both historically and geographically. That has consequences. It's undoubtedly true that the Japanese people have been suspicious of foreigners, because they haven't had much experience of them and that this has been reinforced by past governments, it's no more an engineered situation than ours is. It's just a product of events. Of a country's evolution.

Realities of the modern world touch everyone, though, including the Japanese, and their recent policy shifts are a lesson to everyone here who thinks we can simply close the doors.

Japan has quietly reversed its position as it needs workers.

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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

You have been down this track several times before, doing what you always do. Searching for evidence to support a conclusion rather than reach a conclusion based on the evidence.

Japan and the UK are in very different situations, both historically and geographically. That has consequences. It's undoubtedly true that the Japanese people have been suspicious of foreigners, because they haven't had much experience of them and that this has been reinforced by past governments, it's no more an engineered situation than ours is. It's just a product of events. Of a country's evolution.

Realities of the modern world touch everyone, though, including the Japanese, and their recent policy shifts are a lesson to everyone here who thinks we can simply close the doors.

Japan has quietly reversed its position as it needs workers.

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Yeah those differences you talk about are due to the directions people like you took this country down as we once also had much lower crime rates, immigration and higher cohesion.

As for the changes you talk about on immigration you seem to have deliberately missed out the fact that this immigration is going be be Asian....I'd already recognised that previously.

They reject the politics of people like yourself because they only have to look at the disaster it creates....and listen to the excuses from the likes of you.

Edited by Stirlingsays (25 Mar 2022 10.57pm)

 


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View Hrolf The Ganger's Profile Hrolf The Ganger Flag 26 Mar 22 8.58am Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Why don't you write to your MP with some of your creative ideas about how to solve this, then? No-one on here can change anything, so pontification in these pages is just wearing out the keys.

I am sure they will jump at the chance to learn from such an expert on immigration control.

But that doesn't stop you writing crap all day long.

You claim to believe in democracy via the ballot box, at least, you certainly did during the Brexit referendum, so it's odd that you think that I need to talk to my MP to get what most people want. An end to mass migration and a solution for the illegal kind.

 

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View Wisbech Eagle's Profile Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 26 Mar 22 12.46pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Yeah those differences you talk about are due to the directions people like you took this country down as we once also had much lower crime rates, immigration and higher cohesion.

As for the changes you talk about on immigration you seem to have deliberately missed out the fact that this immigration is going be be Asian....I'd already recognised that previously.

They reject the politics of people like yourself because they only have to look at the disaster it creates....and listen to the excuses from the likes of you.

Edited by Stirlingsays (25 Mar 2022 10.57pm)

There we have it, don't we? It's not the immigration that concerns you, it's where it's from. All the blather about us "not having room" etc, etc is a smokescreen for trying to ensure that the people look right to your eyes. This is the "white" race argument all over again.

The point, of course, is that although many of the immigrants Japan is currently accepting are coming from geographically close countries, so might be "Asian", they are neither Japanese nor will that necessarily remain the case. Asia is a huge continent with a great variety of ethnicities. You try telling a Chinese, Indian, Filipino, Vietnamese, Korean or Japanese person they all come from the same mould, and you will soon get your ears burned. Indeed, in many cases when I talk with a Japanese national, they don't consider themselves Asian at all. They think they are "white" and belong in the western world.

Japan has taken a big step forward. It won't be the last, but as even you will realise every journey has to start with a single step. This was the most important one.

 

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View Wisbech Eagle's Profile Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 26 Mar 22 12.54pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

But that doesn't stop you writing crap all day long.

You claim to believe in democracy via the ballot box, at least, you certainly did during the Brexit referendum, so it's odd that you think that I need to talk to my MP to get what most people want. An end to mass migration and a solution for the illegal kind.

Most of what I write here is to counter "crap". It's very rare for me to start a thread!

Yes, I believe in representative democracy. Writing to your MP to give them ideas is completely in line with that. If you have a contribution to make that assists them do their job, why not?

You wouldn't be taking their decision. You would be helping them make theirs.

Please share your plans here. I want to know what practical actions you are suggesting to solve these problems. Not that the problems exist. Then I will critique them to see just what impact they would have.

 

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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Online Flag 26 Mar 22 1.14pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

There we have it, don't we? It's not the immigration that concerns you, it's where it's from. All the blather about us "not having room" etc, etc is a smokescreen for trying to ensure that the people look right to your eyes. This is the "white" race argument all over again.

The point, of course, is that although many of the immigrants Japan is currently accepting are coming from geographically close countries, so might be "Asian", they are neither Japanese nor will that necessarily remain the case. Asia is a huge continent with a great variety of ethnicities. You try telling a Chinese, Indian, Filipino, Vietnamese, Korean or Japanese person they all come from the same mould, and you will soon get your ears burned. Indeed, in many cases when I talk with a Japanese national, they don't consider themselves Asian at all. They think they are "white" and belong in the western world.

Japan has taken a big step forward. It won't be the last, but as even you will realise every journey has to start with a single step. This was the most important one.

I have a quick ten minutes so I'll answer this one.

I think you are deluded over Japan...on either what's good for them or how their elites think.

You want them to 'westernise' and become the global village we are becoming.....No 'Cornwall' for them then. Increased crime, decreased cohesion, nations within nations.....you would even gift them foreign terrorism within their own state. They would also have to spend ridiculous amounts of money on security services.

Your politics worsens their lives, it destroys their identity.....and at what gain exactly?

I'm going to ask you a question WE....What is your genetic ethnicity? Are you fully British genetically?

As for immigration for Britain.....Yes, I think immigration should be set percentage wise and at an ethnicity percent. This is how Japan and Israel do it and many other countries around the world. I think that would have been an immigration policy that would have enabled us to have avoided a Sadiq Khan being major in the English capital and a midlands that will resemble a state within a state within another generation. a far better system.

So most immigration would be set at European but it would also be set low enough that companies and institutions were forced to train British first and not outsource skills and labour to foreigners....insulting their own while relying upon them for their commerce.

Allegiance is incredibly important if you allow foreign cultures into your country. The cultures that do come have to align close enough to your own to lower future risks for the country.....Japan and Israel know this and don't allow the 'racism' fifth columnist bullsh1t to scare them from doing common sense.

Edited by Stirlingsays (26 Mar 2022 2.42pm)

 


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Originally posted by Stirlingsays

I have a quick ten minutes so I'll answer this one.

I think you are deluded over Japan...on either what's good for them or how their elites think.

You want them to 'westernise' and become the global village we are becoming.....No 'Cornwall' for them then. Increased crime, decreased cohesion, nations within nations.....you would even gift them foreign terrorism within their own state. They would also have to spend ridiculous amounts of money on security services.

Your politics worsens their lives, it destroys their identity.....and at what gain exactly?

I'm going to ask you a question WE....What is your genetic ethnicity? Are you fully British genetically?

As for immigration for Britain.....Yes, I think immigration should be set percentage wise and at an ethnicity percent. This is how Japan and Israel do it and many other countries around the world. I think that would have been an immigration policy that would have enabled us to have avoided a Sadiq Khan being major in the English capital and a midlands that will resemble a state within a state within another generation. a far better system.

So most immigration would be set at European but it would also be set low enough that companies and institutions were forced to train British first and not outsource skills and labour to foreigners....insulting their own while relying upon them for their commence.

Allegiance is incredibly important if you allow foreign cultures into your country. The cultures that do come have to align close enough to your own to lower future risks for the country.....Japan and Israel know this and don't allow the 'racism' fifth columnist bullsh1t to scare them from doing common sense.

Edited by Stirlingsays (26 Mar 2022 1.15pm)


I don't "want" anything for Japan, nor do I have any opinion on what's "good" for them. I am just commenting on what is. What they want is up to them. What will happen doesn't only depend on that, though.

My "genetic ethnicity" is not something I either think about or that concerns me. I was born here, am British and a human being. That's all that matters to me and, in my opinion, ought to matter to anyone. If I was told the truth, or even if those who told me knew the truth, one of my grandmothers was born in France of Jewish parents, but when I knew her she was a strict Methodist. More than that, I don't know, and I don't care.

I completely reject the idea that where you come from determines what you are. I would judge Sadiq Khan on how he does his job, and not on his background. I don't judge him because I don't observe how he does his job. So no ethnicity percentages for me. It's an offensive concept.

Ensuring we have a highly trained local workforce and zero tolerance for the idle and feckless are completely separate issues. That's just common sense. We use what we have first.

Ensuring that everyone who arrives here understands that if we open our doors to them, then they too must open their hearts to us, is also essential. It's something we try to do, more than you possibly realise, but it's not enough, and we don't do enough to insist on it. It's not an option. If you gain citizenship (after 5 years of checks) then you swear allegiance to the Crown. That means something, and we must insist that those who do it, mean it and are held to account if they fail to honour it.

We need to do more. Just chucking people out into society and hoping they can swim isn't good enough. There are those who prey on the vulnerable, and we must identify and remove them. We all have a duty to do this. Hostility to otherness builds resentment and destroys the very thing we all want. Which is to preserve our British way of life.

 

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View Hrolf The Ganger's Profile Hrolf The Ganger Flag 26 Mar 22 5.09pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Most of what I write here is to counter "crap". It's very rare for me to start a thread!

Yes, I believe in representative democracy. Writing to your MP to give them ideas is completely in line with that. If you have a contribution to make that assists them do their job, why not?

You wouldn't be taking their decision. You would be helping them make theirs.

Please share your plans here. I want to know what practical actions you are suggesting to solve these problems. Not that the problems exist. Then I will critique them to see just what impact they would have.

Do you go to your MP with your ideas?

Is he a 'friend'

I think I have given you my ideas for dealing with illegals already.
I would say that the more desperate and difficult a situation is, the more drastic or imaginative the solution has to be.

What really matters is a will and determination to make it happen. Politicians are happy to pass on problems to the next here today, gone tomorrow face and concentrate on winning votes. This leads to all kinds of ongoing, never solved problems.

Sometimes very difficult decisions have to be made, and this is one of those times. There is no point in asking me exactly how it can be done because I don't have the big picture any more than you do.
Whatever that big picture is, it needs to be redrawn and soon by the people who we elected via a democratic vote to act in our interests.
Sadly, it appears that they spend most of their time looking after their own.

I'd be looking for a nice bit of empty land that no one wants, with a water supply and good ground for building. Maybe an island. New Kent City has a ring to it.

 

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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger


I'd be looking for a nice bit of empty land that no one wants, with a water supply and good ground for building. Maybe an island. New Kent City has a ring to it.

Is Kent a misspelling?

 

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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Do you go to your MP with your ideas?

Is he a 'friend'

I think I have given you my ideas for dealing with illegals already.
I would say that the more desperate and difficult a situation is, the more drastic or imaginative the solution has to be.

What really matters is a will and determination to make it happen. Politicians are happy to pass on problems to the next here today, gone tomorrow face and concentrate on winning votes. This leads to all kinds of ongoing, never solved problems.

Sometimes very difficult decisions have to be made, and this is one of those times. There is no point in asking me exactly how it can be done because I don't have the big picture any more than you do.
Whatever that big picture is, it needs to be redrawn and soon by the people who we elected via a democratic vote to act in our interests.
Sadly, it appears that they spend most of their time looking after their own.

I'd be looking for a nice bit of empty land that no one wants, with a water supply and good ground for building. Maybe an island. New Kent City has a ring to it.

I am in regular contact with my MP, who is a lady. Not giving her ideas. She is helping with an issue I have with the DHSC and the Cabinet Office, which is now with the Ombudsman.

You haven't given any realistic ideas at all. All you have done is complain about things and then make some totally impractical suggestions. The sort that can be found in any bar from those who have had a skinful and think all we need to do is call up the navy. Desperation and determination don't change facts or produce magic out of hats. This is the real world, and the "picture" stretches from one side to the other. We don't hold all the pieces in our hands.

If you think a bit of land exists, with water and good ground, that hasn't been already used, but is big enough to accommodate all the illegals, then you are even more deluded than I imagined you to be.

 

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