Hmmm, strange one that. Do you ever wonder why these militant animal rights protesters turn up at Mr Gibbons Local Butchers or the High St MacDonalds but are never seen protesting outside a Halal Slaughterhouse. I wonder why that is?

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100%. These families pulling their kids out of Birmingham schools and waving placards en masse aren't saying 'I'm neutral' or 'I have no issue with gay people'. They aren't storming out when anti gay bile is spouted at a mosque.

To take such a drastic step, they are essentially proclaiming that they wish to indoctrinate their children into the view that gay people are second rate or that gay relationships are shameful. And that they wish to do so completely on their terms without wider society getting in the way. There's enough info out there to realise the depths this view can go within some communities, especially religious ones and I don't see who benefits from that, certainly not society by caving in to these demands. Religious of not, no fair minded person removes kids from school just for being told about gay relationships. If this is a problem for some, then they should campaign to have any mention or example of gay couples removed from TV before the watershed too. Or perhaps just scream 'Invasion of the Body Snatchers' style if you see two blokes holding hands in public. No half measures.

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They want the culture of pakistan when it suits allied with the economics of the UK.

You might have been able to say 'go home if you don't like it' to off the boat immigrants (but still be called all the names under the sun by the usual suspects) but it's a harder message to give to first and second generation.....they are correct to say this is home....and they will design it in their image.

They are British muslims with pakistani heritage....and as in pakistan they care more about what their imam thinks than governmental appeals to secularism or western ideology.....left or right.

This is how Britain is in their areas, as their population grows they will expand those areas....but it will be a far bigger problem for our non Islamic children going forward.

The social constructionists are utter fools and have caused perhaps permanent damage. They will integrate with the elements they find useful and block out anything else. Integration only ever has a chance of working when the population is small and can't form it's own communities and hence have to mix in.

When you have ready made communities essentially it's a long term magpie that you can't get out of the nest.

Once you cede territory, you cede it. The ideological left and economic cheap labour right created this.

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I rest my case M'lud.

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Well yeah, having a positive attitude towards homosexuality goes against their religion. If a Muslim is going with most of the mainstream interpretations I don't really see how else they can play it.

The state teaching their kids about alternative sexuality is obviously not going to be met with a shrug.

I object to the state promoting alternative family structures as well. Especially starting at five years old. It's promoting an equality between family structures that simply isn't there statistically in terms of durability or violence levels.

In my opinion there is no equality in deliberately promoting a child to be raised without a father or without a mother. The deliberate omission of one or the other of the feminine or masculine can't be ignored or accurately promoted as equal. That's how I regard it......Sure some examples may be better than others but it simply isn't equal as a family model.

Again, you are making an argument for special groups. Homosexuality is no more relevant to any other group.

Your argument that the reality that homosexuals face challenges in life is of course true, but most people fit into some group that does anyway.....Shall we have lessons for the challenges that ugly people have, low IQ people have.....hell lets look at how short men fair or freckled gingers....we will be onto identity politics next.

I disagree with an argument that veers away from anything other than the traditional family model and the reality that our current politicians have allowed that is something I have great difficulty with. I certainly reject this state approved indoctrination of my children and I will be in consultation with their school when the time comes.

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I have a certain sympathy towards this view.

However, I don't think we can ignore the 'volume of the flounce'. I think the volume matters as schools are there to serve communities. I think compromises could and should be made for people who object.

For those with no objection then while I'll argue against the long written policy in the post.....I'm not going to tell others how they should feel about it.

The problem of aggression towards homosexuals in Islam isn't going to be solved this way. If anything it's going to make things worse for that minority.

You don't need to raise the reality that a minority of people are different sexually to promote treating people fairly. In essence I don't want alternative lifestyles taught to my five year old.

I agree that the gay child shouldn't be taught that they should be ashamed of themselves. Just as we shouldn't teach that the 'ugly' child or the low IQ child should be....this wasn't happening anyway.

However I don't agree that schools should be teaching five year olds how to feel about specific groups.

Yes, people who make a big deal about being part of a minority group will have challenges in their life...especially if they are Muslims or in socially conservative families....I don't see this policy as helping those individuals as it's creating further discord.

Like I said, I instead regard that teaching should promote fairness and a 'treat others how you would want to be treated' ethos.

Everything I said about this being a stepping stone to more identity politics being taught to developing minds is a real prospect.

Well, there's bisexuality of course....a set number of people will swap sexuality choice in conditions like prison for example.....so sexuality like intelligence is a spectrum and has it's own nuance but I take your point.

However, the fact that sexuality has a genetic setting (like most human aspects in reality) is besides the point. No one sensible is suggesting lessons on treating groups negativity.

In fact I don't want much sex education at all. The whole topic has been useless since its introduction and achieved nothing.....in fact statistically it can be suggested that the focus on it.....has worsened society not improved it.

If children are taught that the choice between heterosexual relationships and homosexual relationships are equal in family realities...not only is that statistically a crowbar in some aspects but those children who may be bisexual may later on chose homosexual relationships instead.

Hence, in time, if this approach was successful you'd increase the number of homosexual relationships.

As females are proven to have far higher levels of bisexuality than males. So if this was successful over time you'd lower the birth rate....and I might add, further annoy a lot of heterosexual males.

Personally I don't think any of this is a sensible path....Also I'm not so sure all of those parents of bisexuals would be chuffed at the outcome of genetic deadends.....Especially when the state suggested it was an 'equal choice'.

I agree that we should teach....not starting from age five.....that all individuals should accept their natures and that no one should persecute others based on them.

I'm with people like Milo and Stakey on these issues. It's not true that all homosexuals agree with what's happened and I'm with them.

I'm certainly with the protection of homosexuals, however I don't support this pathway on child indoctrination.

I believe that all children have an intrinsic right to a mother and a father and that this is the ideal. While this isn't always possible in life for multiple reasons this doesn't mean I agree that children should be lied to so that we paint nicer pictures about the reality of life.

I'm aware that this sets me against the current political mindset which is desperate to think and believe that there is equality in all things.

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