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Pussay Patrol Flag 06 Mar 19 1.27pm

Originally posted by Tom-the-eagle


Simple question for you Pussy which requires a simple yes or no answer.

Do you accept that the majority of knife crime is committed by the black community.

Yes or no?

No, not seen the evidence and prefer not to muddy the water of the debate by making it a race issue. The 2 notable cases last weekend were not gang related

It's diverting from the real point about police numbers and rise in crime

Maybe you could return the favour - do you prefer less police yes or no?

 


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Originally posted by Pussay Patrol

No, not seen the evidence and prefer not to muddy the water of the debate by making it a race issue. The 2 notable cases last weekend were not gang related

It's diverting from the real point about police numbers and rise in crime

Maybe you could return the favour - do you prefer less police yes or no?

Not seen the evidence about the race element? Do you not read the news reports or statistics? Unless we talk about it, how can we find solutions?

Again, you're not interesting in finding out about the cultural issues and ways to solve this awful problem. But instead, are using it as a stick to beat the Tories with over cutbacks because you are a radical leftist who thinks chucking tax payers' money at everything sorts it out. It doesn't. It's much more nuanced.

 

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Originally posted by Pussay Patrol

No, not seen the evidence and prefer not to muddy the water of the debate by making it a race issue. The 2 notable cases last weekend were not gang related

It's diverting from the real point about police numbers and rise in crime

Maybe you could return the favour - do you prefer less police yes or no?

Unless you want to band around the word Gammon

 

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View Forest Hillbilly's Profile Forest Hillbilly Flag in a hidey-hole 06 Mar 19 1.52pm Send a Private Message to Forest Hillbilly Add Forest Hillbilly as a friend

Originally posted by chris123

The penalty for carrying a knife should be the same as for carrying a gun, preceded by an amnesty to get knives of the street.

Knives. Every supermarket sells cooks knives.
I recently had to take a neighbour to 'an event', when she was stuck for transport. I had just come back from walking the dogs and doing some foraging in the woods.
When we got to the venue, people were being searched, and I forgot I had a pen-knife on me. (they let me into the event, as I'm in my 50's ,...but they took the knife)
If I were in London, I probably would have been arrested/cautioned.
Out here in the sticks a lot of workers carry utility knives, and a lot of people have (Licenced)firearms.

It would seem to be a cultural shift, particularly in metropolitan areas.
Trinidad isn't looking too good ATM
[Link]

"The year 2018 end­ed with 516 mur­ders, mak­ing it the sec­ond dead­liest year in the his­to­ry of T&T.

The year 2008 record­ed the high­est mur­der rate with 550 homi­cides be­ing com­mit­ted.

Of the 516 mur­ders in 2018, 430 of them re­main un­solved. These sta­tis­tics were dis­closed by the T&T Po­lice Ser­vice’s (TTPS) Crime and Prob­lem Analy­sis (CA­PA) Branch.

For the pe­ri­od Jan­u­ary 1 to De­cem­ber 27, 2018, 13 spous­es (male and fe­male) were killed in do­mes­tic vi­o­lence-re­lat­ed mat­ters.

There were 13 chil­dren killed, six of which were clas­si­fied as gang-re­lat­ed; three were do­mes­tic-vi­o­lence re­lat­ed; one was drug-re­lat­ed; one child was killed dur­ing an al­ter­ca­tion; two re­main un­clas­si­fied.

Forty-sev­en fe­males were killed in 2018—this in­clud­ed three girls, 40 women, and four oth­ers whose ages are un­known.

With re­spect to law en­force­ment per­son­nel, six of them were killed—two po­lice of­fi­cers, one sol­dier, and three prison of­fi­cers.

Mean­while, po­lice said there were 179 gang-re­lat­ed mur­ders."

So gang violence seems to be the crux in other countries, under differing political systems.

Who knows how to improve things ?


 


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View steeleye20's Profile steeleye20 Flag Croydon 06 Mar 19 1.56pm Send a Private Message to steeleye20 Add steeleye20 as a friend

Originally posted by Penge Eagle

Not seen the evidence about the race element? Do you not read the news reports or statistics? Unless we talk about it, how can we find solutions?

Again, you're not interesting in finding out about the cultural issues and ways to solve this awful problem. But instead, are using it as a stick to beat the Tories with over cutbacks because you are a radical leftist who thinks chucking tax payers' money at everything sorts it out. It doesn't. It's much more nuanced.

No it isn't, austerity has no benefits, the police service is not the only service to be partially removed, think of all the other community services, many integrated, that have suffered.

We are poorer as a result as anyone can see.

 

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View Hrolf The Ganger's Profile Hrolf The Ganger Flag 06 Mar 19 2.20pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by Pussay Patrol

No the commissioner of police is saying that

I have already said that the police will never be content with numbers and funding.
When have you ever heard a police commissioner say that he is happy?

Naive or just disingenuous?

You are only peddling this garbage for political reasons.
You know full well why crime has soared but you don't have the guts to admit that your political creed got it so so wrong.
The Left have actually helped the ruling class ruin your former country.

 

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Originally posted by Pussay Patrol

No, not seen the evidence and prefer not to muddy the water of the debate by making it a race issue. The 2 notable cases last weekend were not gang related

It's diverting from the real point about police numbers and rise in crime

Maybe you could return the favour - do you prefer less police yes or no?

You do know Tom the eagle is mixed race don't you.

You should listen to him he talks more sense than you ever could.

 


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Pussay Patrol Flag 06 Mar 19 3.07pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

I have already said that the police will never be content with numbers and funding.
When have you ever heard a police commissioner say that he is happy?

Naive or just disingenuous?

You are only peddling this garbage for political reasons.
You know full well why crime has soared but you don't have the guts to admit that your political creed got it so so wrong.
The Left have actually helped the ruling class ruin your former country.

Okay, since you know more about policing than the commissioner of police please explain how less how less police decreases crime in light of the fact the opposite is happening?

 


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Originally posted by Pussay Patrol

Okay, since you know more about policing than the commissioner of police please explain how less how less police decreases crime in light of the fact the opposite is happening?

Even the BBC have said it isn’t a definite correlation.

 


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Pussay Patrol Flag 06 Mar 19 3.47pm

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

Even the BBC have said it isn’t a definite correlation.

A BBC journalist knows more about the police than the commisioner?

 


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Originally posted by Pussay Patrol

A BBC journalist knows more about the police than the commisioner?

You don't get it.

Every company boss wants more staff.

Every Army chief wants more troops.

Every NHS boss wants more nurses.

Every school wants more teachers.

The above three costs money to the taxpayer.

Will it help having more cops? I'm sure it won't do any harm. But it won't solve a much deeper issue. As a leftist I know you worship government, but when will you realise that government cannot solve all problems?

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W12 06 Mar 19 4.26pm

Originally posted by Pussay Patrol


A BBC journalist knows more about the police than the commissioner?

I wouldn't trust either of them.

I agree we need more Police on the streets. It's about the only thing we agree on.

You can't just keep saying this will solve the problem in itself though. People have to believe that carrying a knife and stabbing each other is not an acceptable way to behave in a disagreement.

 

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