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View Sportyteacher's Profile Sportyteacher Flag London 22 Sep 19 4.58pm Send a Private Message to Sportyteacher Add Sportyteacher as a friend

As The Conservative Party continues to press the implode button whilst the Brexit populace of England seems to voice support for Johnson as proven by circa 10% lead in opinion polls, is it not time to ditch the ever divisive Corbyn? On the other hand, what are the genuine grounds for keeping him (other than Conservative party supporters regarding his continued stay as leader representing a greater chance of Tories hanging on in power):

 

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View Wisbech Eagle's Profile Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 22 Sep 19 6.36pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Although not a Labour Party supporter, anymore than I am a Conservative Party supporter in their current guise, as I believe they have a vital constitutional role to play at the moment might I be permitted to comment?

I believe it's essential, and in the wider public interest, for Corbyn to be replaced and for Labour to ditch it's leftward drift and reclaim the sensible middle ground as soon as possible.

Beating populism in the UK, ensuring the supremacy of Parliament over the executive remains as a fundamental pillar of our system, and ensuring that if we are to exit the EU we do so on a basis that causes the least harm is a duty on the Labour party which transcends normal politics.

They cannot do that while they fight internal battles.

I would like them to go much further and establish electoral pacts to ensure that the "no no deal/remain" vote isn't split thus allowing Johnson to creep in. That might well create a Tory/Brexit party alliance but at least then we can all be very clear what is at stake at the forthcoming GE.

Before that of course we need to get beyond Oct 31st unscathed and see what the bunch of anti-democrats do after the Supreme Court verdict.

Labour though needs to man up and do what's needed. There are some decent people in their ranks, alongside some less appealing and they need to be strong. The problem is their internal systems which hand far too much influence to the membership and not sufficient to the MPs. So whether they can actually do it is a very open question.

 

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View Rudi Hedman's Profile Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 22 Sep 19 7.02pm Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

I anticipate nobody to be any clearer on Labour’s Brexit position after this Labour Party conference.

 


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View Midlands Eagle's Profile Midlands Eagle Flag 22 Sep 19 7.04pm Send a Private Message to Midlands Eagle Add Midlands Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Beating populism in the UK, ensuring the supremacy of Parliament over the executive remains as a fundamental pillar of our system,

Populism - a political approach that strives to appeal to ordinary people who feel that their concerns are disregarded by established elite groups.

I don't see anything wrong with that

 

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View Hrolf The Ganger's Profile Hrolf The Ganger Flag 22 Sep 19 7.14pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

Populism - a political approach that strives to appeal to ordinary people who feel that their concerns are disregarded by established elite groups.

I don't see anything wrong with that


Populism. A word made popular by arrogant politicians and their supporters whose increasingly unpopular policies are being rejected by more and more people.

 

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Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

Populism - a political approach that strives to appeal to ordinary people who feel that their concerns are disregarded by established elite groups.

I don't see anything wrong with that

The primary thing that's wrong with it is that is far too simple. Cutting and pasting the first result on a google search doesn't get to the heart. Populism means different things to different people.

As an alternative there is this, from the Cambridge Dictionary:-

"political ideas and activities that are intended to get the support of ordinary people by giving them what they want".

Now that seems a much more accurate definition for the current political climate in the UK, Hungary, Turkey and the USA as examples. Giving people what they want rather than what they need is an irresponsible abrogation of responsibility.

Try reading this as well:-

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Edited by Wisbech Eagle (22 Sep 2019 8.33pm)

 

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View Goal Machine's Profile Goal Machine Flag The Cronx 22 Sep 19 8.26pm Send a Private Message to Goal Machine Add Goal Machine as a friend

Just heard on the radio that he is planning to ban private schools.

Knowing Corbyn will never be in power has softened the blow of that late equaliser.

 

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This thread isn't meant for me, which is fair enough.

Still I just wanted to post this as it made me chuckle earlier.

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Say it all lol

 

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View W12's Profile W12 Flag 22 Sep 19 8.47pm Send a Private Message to W12 Add W12 as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

The primary thing that's wrong with it is that is far too simple. Cutting and pasting the first result on a google search doesn't get to the heart. Populism means different things to different people.

As an alternative there is this, from the Cambridge Dictionary:-

"political ideas and activities that are intended to get the support of ordinary people by giving them what they want".

Now that seems a much more accurate definition for the current political climate in the UK, Hungary, Turkey and the USA as examples. Giving people what they want rather than what they need is an irresponsible abrogation of responsibility.

Try reading this as well:-

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Edited by Wisbech Eagle (22 Sep 2019 8.33pm)

Like giving away “free stuff” that isn’t actually free and just increase our national debt?

Strange how the economist and the FT have now become left wing rags by the way. Just shows you who’s actually in charge.

 

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View Wisbech Eagle's Profile Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 22 Sep 19 9.24pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by W12

Like giving away “free stuff” that isn’t actually free and just increase our national debt?

Strange how the economist and the FT have now become left wing rags by the way. Just shows you who’s actually in charge.

If any left wing government actually did that then of course they too would be populist. I am not though aware of any right now. They all seem pretty hard right to me.

I think both the Economist and the FT would fail pretty quickly if either became "left wing rags" as their readership wouldn't tolerate it. They just both retain a sense of perspective and balance in their reporting and are not being sucked into the maelstrom that is the political right today. There are plenty, like me, who believe in conservatism and the power of capitalism to deliver progress, but don't approve of the style of the current government.

Selfish populism is not the answer to the world's problems. Solving things alone will never work. Down that road is oblivion. International co-operation is our only real future.

Edited by Wisbech Eagle (22 Sep 2019 9.24pm)

 

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View jeeagles's Profile jeeagles Flag 22 Sep 19 9.27pm Send a Private Message to jeeagles Add jeeagles as a friend

He definitely needed to go. He's awful.
He stood for remain and lost.
Stood for a GE and lost.
He got hammered at the EU and local elections.

Labour have tried to get rid of him twice but cant.

I noticed today they are still using the "for the many, not he few" tagline that lost the last election.

Friends in politics have told me that momentum do not care how many elections they lose, just as long as they have a far left Labour party.

 

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