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Alex Salmond is doing his bit for the SNP

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What did Oscar Wilde say, to face 1 allegation from one person is unfortunate to face 14 allegations from 10 different people well .....

 


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Originally posted by Badger11

Alex Salmond is doing his bit for the SNP

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What did Oscar Wilde say, to face 1 allegation from one person is unfortunate to face 14 allegations from 10 different people well .....

...Reading gaol.

 

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Just spotted this from Labour's manifesto

"reducing the voting age to 16, giving full voting rights to all UK residents, making sure everyone who is entitled to vote can do so by introducing a system of automatic voter registration, and abandoning plans to introduce voter ID which has been shown to harm democratic rights."

There is a argument to be had over reducing the voting age personally I am against it. However it clearly favours Labour who will not now id check people who will be automatically registered.

Now what is that word, Jeremy no Jerry got it Gerrymandering.

I cannot see how an automatic voter registration can possibly work and be fair, its ripe for incompetence and voter fraud. For instance:

Harry lives in Bromley and when he is 16 is added to the voter list. As Harry moves through life he changes his home address on multiple occasions, sometimes in Bromley maybe the other side of the country. Does anyway believe that the local councils are capable of keeping track of him and removing him or adding him when required. Good luck with that they'll be duplicate Harry registrations all over the place.

Ironically if Labour introduced a national ID scheme and made voters present their id when voting then automatic enrolment would make sense.

Edited by Badger11 (21 Nov 2019 2.55pm)

 


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Originally posted by chris123

...Reading gaol.

LOL

 


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W12 21 Nov 19 2.56pm

Originally posted by SW19 CPFC

Depends which system they're in. From experience private education is much broader and covered most of those topics, from slavery and abolition through to world wars, the fall of communism and so on. Granted that was 20 years ago but knowing plenty of people who went through the state system, it's nowhere near as expansive, in pretty much all areas.

Both my kids are in private education at different schools and I'm having to intervene directly with them on a clearly left wing bias curriculum e.g. they will do a whole term on "empire and slavery" but barely cover the Magna Carter or the Bill of Rights. The whole system is rotten to the core.

 

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View cpfc_chap's Profile cpfc_chap Flag koh samui 21 Nov 19 4.36pm Send a Private Message to cpfc_chap Add cpfc_chap as a friend

Originally posted by Badger11

From that poll the Brexit party is rapidly becoming an irrelevance.

I think people will be surprised how many Labour leave constituencies they will win!

 

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Originally posted by W12

Both my kids are in private education at different schools and I'm having to intervene directly with them on a clearly left wing bias curriculum e.g. they will do a whole term on "empire and slavery" but barely cover the Magna Carter or the Bill of Rights. The whole system is rotten to the core.

I don't expect you to agree but for once Labour is correct about removing charitable status from private schools. It's a tax break for the better off and whilst I think private education is great it is only for those lucky to afford it.

Charitable status should only be allowed if any person regardless of income could attend, not sure how that would work.

Abolishing private schools is ridiculous.

 


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Originally posted by W12

Both my kids are in private education at different schools and I'm having to intervene directly with them on a clearly left wing bias curriculum e.g. they will do a whole term on "empire and slavery" but barely cover the Magna Carter or the Bill of Rights. The whole system is rotten to the core.

Education is riddled with left wing attitudes in pretty much every subject now. A few years back you could point at STEM and console yourself that it wasn't in the hard sciences.....but that has been changing as well.

Peterson says....take your kids out. He has a serious point. However, as always it depends upon what your child(ren) requires.

 


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Originally posted by Badger11

I don't expect you to agree but for once Labour is correct about removing charitable status from private schools. It's a tax break for the better off and whilst I think private education is great it is only for those lucky to afford it.

Charitable status should only be allowed if any person regardless of income could attend, not sure how that would work.

Abolishing private schools is ridiculous.

I see sense in private schools for the seriously high IQ...130 and above for example.

Outside of that it's always been hard to justify state help in private schools for those with enough to afford it....private schools without help is a possibility.

I totally understand why hard working parents would wish to advantage their children. We see politicians from all party tribes doing it. It's not just about the education and better behaviour it's about the networking.

Then again, the system as it is doesn't help the meritocratic system as money rather than sheer ability plays its role

That said, any changes to private provision can only be done pretty slowly. The state system struggles to cope with the ridiculous population increases as it is.

Edited by Stirlingsays (21 Nov 2019 5.09pm)

 


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Originally posted by Stirlingsays

I see sense in private schools for the seriously high IQ...130 and above for example.

Outside of that it's always been hard to justify state help in private schools for those with enough to afford it....private schools without help is a possibility.

I totally understand why hard working parents would wish to advantage their children. We see politicians from all party tribes doing it. It's not just about the education and better behaviour it's about the networking.

Then again, the system as it is doesn't help the meritocratic system as money rather than sheer ability plays its role

That said, any changes to private provision can only be done pretty slowly. The state system struggles to cope with the ridiculous population increases as it is.

Edited by Stirlingsays (21 Nov 2019 5.09pm)

Agreed I don't want to break up private education and it should not be overnight as the schools will have to adjust to the loss of earnings.

I would also make it part of an overall review of the charity sector. There are now many organisation that in my humble opinion don't deserve it. Charities that spend a large percentage of income on themselves rather than on the good cause.

Organisations that are actually campaign groups / protest groups using the fig leaf of a charity. It sounds a lot more benign if the MSM report that a Charity commissioned report states such and such is terrible as opposed to Protest group demands change.

I am not saying any of these group have done anything wrong its the rules that need tightening up. In America apparently it is even worse, all sorts of rich people setup up charities which are nothing more than tax shelters.

Edited by Badger11 (21 Nov 2019 5.31pm)

 


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Labour pledge to abolish Universal Credit, why?

It's cost a fortune to roll out and the principle of simplifying the benefits system is one even critics would agree with. However Labour would rather spend billions re-inventing the wheel. I don't believe it is so broke that it cannot be fixed.

The main issues the media normally refer to are

- It's not enough to live on.
Well if Labour want to replace it presumbably they would increase the money so that's not a reason.
- Delays in receiving the first payment. The Tories have said this has now gone away but if not should be easy to fix.
- Inconsistent payments due to the number of days in the month e.g. you get more in January then you do in February. Well this was just plain bloody stupid by the Tories calculate the annual amount and divide by 12 how hard is that.

Any replacement system will take years to roll out and to what end just because Labour don't like UC. It's why I hate politicians if UC was a Labour idea they would fix it but when the Tories got in they would replace it. We must waste so much money in this country undoing what the other guys did.

 


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Universal credit replaced 13 different benefits.
13 different claims.
It has created fairness whereby if you work you should be the same minimum or better off financially than someone on benefits.
Many benefits overlapped so meant you could claim the max on all of them and be raking it in.
How is that fair?

 

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