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deleted 25 Flag 26 Feb 20 10.30pm

Interested to read the post above about cutting corners in building works

Think also that a big part of the problem is to do with the lack of accountability of local authorities, and their unwillingness to listen to tenants associations. They continually ignored warnings from Grenfell resident association

Most local authorities in London seem to employ a main contractor to do their repairs and upkeep but it dosent take a genius to work out that these companies can moonlight in the area, and even employ subcontractors to do their work.

I'd be surprised if people working for these contractors are DBS cleared. It won't be long before another Grenfell happens

 

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View PalazioVecchio's Profile PalazioVecchio Flag south pole 31 Aug 23 9.48am Send a Private Message to PalazioVecchio Add PalazioVecchio as a friend

South Africa....building fire

at least 73 dead. 53 Injured.

shocking. RiP.

who the feck was supposed to be taking care of the fire safety ?

is this different or similar to Grenfell ? did somebody official fail to do their job ? or was it penny-pinching on the part of the residents ? or was it just 'bad luck' ?

Edited by PalazioVecchio (31 Aug 2023 9.55am)

 


Kayla did Anfield & Old Trafford

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View HKOwen's Profile HKOwen Flag Hong Kong 31 Aug 23 5.08pm Send a Private Message to HKOwen Add HKOwen as a friend

I wonder if local councils in general and K and C in particular have made any real effort to check if the people living in such blocks are supposed to be there and not in the illegal sub letting culture that seems common.

Are fire drill carried out on a regular basis?

Important to prevent another disaster, passing blame on the previous one won't achieve much, practical lessons important though.

 


Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance.

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View ASCPFC's Profile ASCPFC Flag Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 01 Sep 23 12.34pm Send a Private Message to ASCPFC Add ASCPFC as a friend

Originally posted by HKOwen

I wonder if local councils in general and K and C in particular have made any real effort to check if the people living in such blocks are supposed to be there and not in the illegal sub letting culture that seems common.

Are fire drill carried out on a regular basis?

Important to prevent another disaster, passing blame on the previous one won't achieve much, practical lessons important though.

Yes - they've gone in with SWAT teams with the right to remove and deport.

 


Red and Blue Army!

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View Forest Hillbilly's Profile Forest Hillbilly Flag in a hidey-hole 02 Sep 23 7.28am Send a Private Message to Forest Hillbilly Add Forest Hillbilly as a friend

excuse my pessimism over Inquiries.
They seldom find a single cause, or person(s) who make decisions accountable.
The bluster over LFB, as matt has already said, was a useful distraction.
What I would want to know is :
* what testing did the cladding undergo ?
* Who sets the standards for fitment to buildings ?
* Who authorised its use ?

All the padding about LFB and covert racism has really nothing to do with the cause of the event.

 


"The facts have changed", Rishi Sunak

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View kingdowieonthewall's Profile kingdowieonthewall Flag Sussex, ex-Cronx. 02 Sep 23 8.32am Send a Private Message to kingdowieonthewall Add kingdowieonthewall as a friend

Having worked in all sorts of properties & areas over 40 years now , I have seen flat owners/tenants keep totally unsuitable materials in the properties.
A common thing is catering size drums of cooking oil, not just one but maybe a dozen, highly flammable.
Earlier this year a croydon block of flats was evacuated due to people having a BBQ on a timber decked balcony which went up.
Difficult to police but the storage of large amounts of oil needs to be stopped.
Another issue is people dicking with the electrics within their flats themselves.
Ive seen a network of extension leads going from room to room & even shared with another flat!

 


Kids,tired of being bothered by your pesky parents?
Then leave home, get a job & pay your own bills, while you still know everything.

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Originally posted by kingdowieonthewall

Having worked in all sorts of properties & areas over 40 years now , I have seen flat owners/tenants keep totally unsuitable materials in the properties.
A common thing is catering size drums of cooking oil, not just one but maybe a dozen, highly flammable.
Earlier this year a croydon block of flats was evacuated due to people having a BBQ on a timber decked balcony which went up.
Difficult to police but the storage of large amounts of oil needs to be stopped.
Another issue is people dicking with the electrics within their flats themselves.
Ive seen a network of extension leads going from room to room & even shared with another flat!

How else do they keep the growlights and fans going?

 


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View Badger11's Profile Badger11 Flag Beckenham 02 Sep 23 12.21pm Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

This RAAC concrete scandal is unbelievable.

So for decades this material was used and now all of a sudden it's as much use as a rich tea biscuit that's been dunked.

So we have had asbestos, fibre glass and now RAAC all approved by the so called experts at the time and now we wouldn't touch with a barge pole. And of course the big one cladding and the tradgey of Grenfell.

Is it any wonder people are now suspicious of so called experts in any field.

 


One more point

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Originally posted by Badger11

This RAAC concrete scandal is unbelievable.

So for decades this material was used and now all of a sudden it's as much use as a rich tea biscuit that's been dunked.

So we have had asbestos, fibre glass and now RAAC all approved by the so called experts at the time and now we wouldn't touch with a barge pole. And of course the big one cladding and the tradgey of Grenfell.

Is it any wonder people are now suspicious of so called experts in any field.

plus solar panels on roofs are not 100% safe, know someone whos roof went up in minutes due to solar panel components fault, lost the entire house poor sod.

 


Kids,tired of being bothered by your pesky parents?
Then leave home, get a job & pay your own bills, while you still know everything.

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